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The election was an upset for many. My feeds on Facebook are showing a lot of hate and I expected people to be sad and angry but what I'm reading is beyond that!

Here is my Facebook status as of a few moments ago:

I'm impressed that Clinton called Trump as soon as she did to concede. That's a class act. My feeds of my friends and family this morning aren't representing that class act unfortunately. Yes, you have a right to free speech but the nastiness is absolutely revolting. Please stop disrespecting your family and friends with your ugly words and name calling because it won't change the results of the election. Be a class act for America's sake. One country.
 

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Personally I think it is a sad day for ASmerica and I believe we got exactly what we deserved and that it is all part of Gods plan to bring this nation down
 

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Our nation hasn't collapsed yet because of the election of one man. I doubt it will happen now :)

Instead of focusing on what people don't like about Trump, they can try to look to all the positive changes he might be able to make in this country.
 

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I truly want to believe that, I just seeto many things that are scary and dangerous about him as president. I will pray for him and hope for the best but I just dont see it. I also believe that we will go down as a nation and that those put in power will help bring that about, God is in control even to overseeing our downfall.
 

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Praying for him is good :) At church we sometimes pray for government leaders and I like that!
 

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The election was an upset for many. My feeds on Facebook are showing a lot of hate and I expected people to be sad and angry but what I'm reading is beyond that!

Here is my Facebook status as of a few moments ago:

I'm impressed that Clinton called Trump as soon as she did to concede. That's a class act. My feeds of my friends and family this morning aren't representing that class act unfortunately. Yes, you have a right to free speech but the nastiness is absolutely revolting. Please stop disrespecting your family and friends with your ugly words and name calling because it won't change the results of the election. Be a class act for America's sake. One country.

I don't know what is especially classy about doing what is normal when one loses an election.
 

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Personally I think it is a sad day for ASmerica and I believe we got exactly what we deserved and that it is all part of Gods plan to bring this nation down

Yes. Trump is stronger than God. Next...
 

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I truly want to believe that, I just seeto many things that are scary and dangerous about him as president. I will pray for him and hope for the best but I just dont see it. I also believe that we will go down as a nation and that those put in power will help bring that about, God is in control even to overseeing our downfall.

Psalms, there would be those saying the same as you if Hillary were elected. A vote does not change the mind of God. We cannot know the mind of God from an election. I heard the same rhetoric in '08 when I volunteered to be a precinct delegate (when I was still in the U.S.). An influential Pastor was at the County convention praying about how God had left America, and calling for the nation to repent. It was a circus side-show. Denial isn't pretty, but the U.S. has Donald Trump as President-elect. It wasn't pretty in '08, but Barack Obama was President-elect. Go about your business, be a good citizen, praise God, be humble.
 

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I think it's better than Hillary and he said those things he said like bomb this bomb that was a joke. I don't think he was serious about that wall and let Mexico pay. Lance Walnough said God gave him a dream that He would use him, hm, but they said that with Bush too. God puts people into power. Just pray for him. I read from a Dutch guy that he thinks it's Obama's fault a populist stood up. He didn't let the republicans have a say.
Well at least he doesn't kill babies and he's pro Israel. I read on Facebook that the UN or something wanted to give Jerusalem to the Palestinians.
 
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The election was an upset for many. My feeds on Facebook are showing a lot of hate and I expected people to be sad and angry but what I'm reading is beyond that!

Here is my Facebook status as of a few moments ago:

I'm impressed that Clinton called Trump as soon as she did to concede. That's a class act. My feeds of my friends and family this morning aren't representing that class act unfortunately. Yes, you have a right to free speech but the nastiness is absolutely revolting. Please stop disrespecting your family and friends with your ugly words and name calling because it won't change the results of the election. Be a class act for America's sake. One country.

Personally I think it is a sad day for ASmerica and I believe we got exactly what we deserved and that it is all part of Gods plan to bring this nation down

Our nation hasn't collapsed yet because of the election of one man. I doubt it will happen now :)

Instead of focusing on what people don't like about Trump, they can try to look to all the positive changes he might be able to make in this country.

I truly want to believe that, I just seeto many things that are scary and dangerous about him as president. I will pray for him and hope for the best but I just dont see it. I also believe that we will go down as a nation and that those put in power will help bring that about, God is in control even to overseeing our downfall.

What I think is sad is that too many people give way too much credit to the so called "commander in chief" than he or she deserves - for good and for bad. The demise of America has been coming for a very long time, and it can not be blamed on one person - rather it is a product of design, a slow erosion through very carefully planned baby steps, year after year, decade after decade. When the proverbial stuff finally does hit the fan, it is going to be extremely bad, and again, the people will blame the leaders of that time, rather than look at the bigger picture of what has been happening over a very long time.

In my view - at the heart of that erosion are two main factors:

1) The monetary system, as it stands now. I was once told by a relative that the USA is the "richest country in the world". That's an interesting statement that begs the question "how does one define wealth"? On a personal basis, that can only be qualified by ownership of assets (assets being things that produce/provide and bring in trade in the form of money), and savings. The USA is the biggest debtor nation in the world - and most of the manufacturing is done in other countries. It may seem like the country is "rich" because of technological advancement, but this is an illusion. Having lots of debt does not make any individual rich - and it doesn't make a country rich - it makes it a slave to the debt holders, and poor. Thus far, the hyper inflation that started with Nixon's completely severing the dollar from gold has been held in check - but only because of certain trade agreements with oil producing nations. America's dollar is in reality only backed by one major thing - it's control of world oil supplies by having crude oil sold in that currency. This is the real reason for most of the wars in the middle east - domination of oil - because without it - the dollar is not backed by much at all - it is all a huge amount of paper or digital currency backed by extremely little in terms of real assets.

2) The Corporation - as the predominant business model. Corporations in the USA used to have very limited charters and were illegal otherwise. If a town wanted to build a bridge over a river, it could form a corporation to serve that very purpose - but once the purpose was served, the corporation's charter ended. Today's corporations are "legal persons" - huge monsters afforded human rights as if they were people. The overriding principle of the corporation, also legally binding, is to make the most money it can for it's stockholders. When money and profit is thus enshrined and idolized as the number one motivating factor - it should be easy to see how various corruptions and immoralities work their way in. Cost of labor too high? Move offshores and hire some slave labor for a better bottom line. Poisoning the water making people sick? No one is responsible, no one will go to jail, because we're incorporated, only the stockholders will be punished via a fall in share prices.

There are two people that were either president or presidential hopefuls that wanted to stop this, and one former president that warned about it. That president was Eisenhower. He could see what was coming and tried to warn the American people. One of the presidents that tried to stop it was JFK - and he was murdered. The other, in our time, was presidential hopeful Ron Paul - who spoke more truth to the people in one election cycle than most politicians do in a lifetime.

There is a reckoning coming, and it is the product of decades worth of loss of manufacturing coupled with massive amount of war debt - debt completely severed from any real asset save pricing in world oil, and debt that started increasing rapidly under Nixon and the Vietnam war and has not stopped since. Don't look to any political Messiah to stop it. They can't, no matter what they promise.
 

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Let the prognosticating begin...
 

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It appears that Donald Trump did not win the popular vote. He is not the legitimate president elect. Hillary Clinton is!

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The system is rigged!!!!!!!
 

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It appears that Donald Trump did not win the popular vote. He is not the legitimate president elect. Hillary Clinton is!

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The system is rigged!!!!!!!

Yes, it is. Some peoples' votes count more than others because of their location.
 

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Yes, it is. Some peoples' votes count more than others because of their location.

The pact between states to vote according to the national popular vote could conceivably come into play and turn it around!

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Psalms, there would be those saying the same as you if Hillary were elected. A vote does not change the mind of God. We cannot know the mind of God from an election. I heard the same rhetoric in '08 when I volunteered to be a precinct delegate (when I was still in the U.S.). An influential Pastor was at the County convention praying about how God had left America, and calling for the nation to repent. It was a circus side-show. Denial isn't pretty, but the U.S. has Donald Trump as President-elect. It wasn't pretty in '08, but Barack Obama was President-elect. Go about your business, be a good citizen, praise God, be humble.

In the runup to the 2012 election (I think it was the Sunday before) one guy at the church I was visiting at the time took advantage of the open mic to proclaim a message, very loudly, about the impending destruction of America and although he didn't explicitly come out and say it his message was only a very thinly veiled exhortation to "get out and vote, and vote Republican" with warnings of impending destruction if the evil was allowed to continue. Yet curiously the following Sunday, when Obama beat Romney to retain the White House, his tone had changed because there were "more than ten righteous" and therefore the nation would be spared just as Sodom and Gomorrah would have been, had ten righteous people been found there.
 

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Yes, it is. Some peoples' votes count more than others because of their location.

Under the current system if you're a Republican in California or a Democrat in Mississippi the chances are you might as well stay home and not bother voting at all. But moving to a popular vote has its own shortcomings, largely because of the voter distribution across the country.

I saw a map showing how people voted in the 2012 election but broken down county by county across the country. The result was astonishing, a huge sea of red that stretched pretty much coast-to-coast with a few small islands of blue. But the islands of blue were in the densely populated urban areas - LA, DC, Boston, NYC, Philadelphia, Seattle etc. NYC has approximately 8m people living in it, and the idea that the inhabitants of that one city should be able to outvote the combined populations of Rhode Island, Montana, Delaware, South Dakota, Alaska, North Dakota, Vermont and Wyoming all put together makes democracy sound more and more like two wolves and a sheep voting on who is for dinner.

If anything it makes a case for government being as local as possible simply because what works well in lower Manhattan or downtown Los Angeles may not work so well in rural Montana. The chances are if you're walking around downtown Los Angeles you're unlikely to run into a pack of wolves so it's easier to argue that you'd rather not have people walking around carrying rifles. If you're a forester in the remote wilderness of North Dakota the chances of coming across wolves or bears is so much higher and you're going to want more to protect yourself than a stick and the opportunity to call animal control (assuming you can get a cellphone signal at all). In areas of high population density it makes sense to have things like public transport, simply because there are enough people there to use it and taking that many cars off the road makes life better for everyone. In rural areas public transport is a non-starter because there aren't enough people to make it viable so you end up with a service that's either totally non-existent or sufficiently inflexible it might as well be non-existent. It's not much use having public transport if it doesn't stop reasonably near your home, your workplace, the doctor's office etc. If you get one bus every two hours and the nearest bus stop is six miles from your house (as I've seen in rural parts of England, and some dream of having a service as good as this) then to all intents and purposes you don't have a bus service at all. If the bus runs every 10 minutes and the bus stop is 200 yards from your house (as I've seen in London) then you're more likely to leave the car behind and take the bus instead.
 

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Trump threatened to give a hard time if he were not elected. His supporters talked about the things they would do if he were not elected and Trump inspired them. Now the shoe is on the other foot and people are just responding to what Trump said in his campaign; so now how does he like it?
 

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I think Trump is realizing he has to appease both sides in some way so I do see him working to try to accommodate people who are fearful of changes.
 
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