Odë:hgöd
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● John 4:10-14 . . If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a
drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living water . .
.whoever drinks the water I give him will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give him
will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.
That passage is saying, in so many words, that even were folks to lose the source
of the living water, that would be okay as far needing it again because that
particular beverage has supernatural effects, i.e. it slacks thirst permanently; once
for all time.
** Living water is relative to the Spirit spoken of in John 7:37-39.
Now here's something to consider: Born-again folks in the Old Testament were
always in danger of offending God to the point of losing the Spirit-- for example
Samson, Saul, and David-- whereas born-again folks in the New Testament, no
matter how seriously they offend God will never, ever lose the Spirit.
So then:
● Eph 4:30 . . Grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby you are sealed unto the
day of redemption.
The Greek word translated "sealed" pertains to impressions left in wax when a
signet is pressed into it. In other words: the sealing here speaks of God's
commitment, viz: His signature on the dotted line, which is somewhat similar to the
notarizing ritual that He and Abraham were parties to in Gen 15:9-21.
There are folks at large claiming it's possible for folks whose beliefs are in line with
Eph 1:13-14 to lose their redemption. When folks at large do that, when they make
that claim, they are insinuating God is a person of marginal integrity who cannot be
trusted to honor His own personal signature.
NOTE: The sealing spoken of in Eph 1:13-14 is likened to a "guarantee" which is
from a Greek word similar in meaning to Judah's guarantee per the 38th chapter of
Genesis whereby he promised to compensate Tamar (disguised as a cult prostitute)
with a lamb for services rendered. He left his staff and his signet with her to insure
payment; which meant that were Judah to renege, Tamar would be within her
rights to keep both the staff and the signet.
So then, were God to renege on His signature, sealed folks would keep the Spirit
regardless. I cannot imagine anyone incarcerated in Hell while indwelt with the Holy
Spirit but apparently there are a number of folks at large sincerely convinced it's
possible.
** Among those sincerely convinced are likely some folks who grew up in
dysfunctional homes and/or the foster system whereby they developed a rather
stubborn condition called Reactive Attachment Disorder; which results in the victim
feeling convinced that nobody loves them and/or would ever want to be their best
friend forever. RAD kids grow up to become adults with some crippling trust issues
that are nigh unto humanly impossible to overcome.
_
● John 4:10-14 . . If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a
drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living water . .
.whoever drinks the water I give him will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give him
will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.
That passage is saying, in so many words, that even were folks to lose the source
of the living water, that would be okay as far needing it again because that
particular beverage has supernatural effects, i.e. it slacks thirst permanently; once
for all time.
** Living water is relative to the Spirit spoken of in John 7:37-39.
Now here's something to consider: Born-again folks in the Old Testament were
always in danger of offending God to the point of losing the Spirit-- for example
Samson, Saul, and David-- whereas born-again folks in the New Testament, no
matter how seriously they offend God will never, ever lose the Spirit.
So then:
● Eph 4:30 . . Grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby you are sealed unto the
day of redemption.
The Greek word translated "sealed" pertains to impressions left in wax when a
signet is pressed into it. In other words: the sealing here speaks of God's
commitment, viz: His signature on the dotted line, which is somewhat similar to the
notarizing ritual that He and Abraham were parties to in Gen 15:9-21.
There are folks at large claiming it's possible for folks whose beliefs are in line with
Eph 1:13-14 to lose their redemption. When folks at large do that, when they make
that claim, they are insinuating God is a person of marginal integrity who cannot be
trusted to honor His own personal signature.
NOTE: The sealing spoken of in Eph 1:13-14 is likened to a "guarantee" which is
from a Greek word similar in meaning to Judah's guarantee per the 38th chapter of
Genesis whereby he promised to compensate Tamar (disguised as a cult prostitute)
with a lamb for services rendered. He left his staff and his signet with her to insure
payment; which meant that were Judah to renege, Tamar would be within her
rights to keep both the staff and the signet.
So then, were God to renege on His signature, sealed folks would keep the Spirit
regardless. I cannot imagine anyone incarcerated in Hell while indwelt with the Holy
Spirit but apparently there are a number of folks at large sincerely convinced it's
possible.
** Among those sincerely convinced are likely some folks who grew up in
dysfunctional homes and/or the foster system whereby they developed a rather
stubborn condition called Reactive Attachment Disorder; which results in the victim
feeling convinced that nobody loves them and/or would ever want to be their best
friend forever. RAD kids grow up to become adults with some crippling trust issues
that are nigh unto humanly impossible to overcome.
_