I believe eternal security, but not unconditional one sided osas. Osas if you abide in Him. If someone doubts their salvation for no reason there's eternal security verses, but if someone is living in sin, like that guy you told me, who cheated on his wife and now lives w the other, he doesnt need any osas preaching, oh dear sweetheart don't worry. That is the false teaching I am against and they call it osas. It is just not always true. There will be a falling away. It is true for the ones who listen and obey. That guy needs someone to warn him with hell and if he then listens, he doesnt get lost.
Because if all he hears is that God doesnt like it blablabla but no hell warning, why on earth would he quit and come back on the road? False grace preachers don't tell you the truth anymore. That's what I hate.
The warning with hell is to keep you saved. God has warned me with hell Personally when I was about to really get off the road in 2013. I remember I also later listened to John Kilpatrick, cause despite the warning I was so dumb to not completely get out of that situation and he said: Get out there now in the Name of Jesus! Thats the preaching you need if you're in danger of hell, not that it's impossible to get unborn. How am I to know at that moment that I am an elect who stays saved? You know if you listen. My sheep hear My voice.
It's like: does someone get saved if he commits suicide? Yes I know someone who got saved cause I had to pray for him and he wasnt a christian and shot himself. No way though I am gonna say that to a christian who says she wants to commit suicide. Then you say dont do it or you go to hell. Thats what God said to me when I tried to do it and why I didnt take the rest of the pills.
Do you know why I even did an attempt? I was too secure, too osas. Thats a false security. False grace leads to sin. I thought: I just take the pills, then say the sinners prayer, so He has to forgive me and it'll be too late. But I got so tired, I had to hurry up and had half of the poison left and after I prayed it He said that now if I took the rest the prayer meant nothing and I would be a hypocrit and I had to call for help.
If you would have ever listened when I was telling you, instead of the lies the devil tells you to, bc as soon as you hear osas, you freak out and cant hear anything else, we could have avoided alot of the nonsense.
But here again is a perfect example of it ... I told you 3 times what my friend was going thru with his buddy.
I told you 3 times what he told him, how it was grieving him to no end that he had to back away from his friend bc be couldnt support what he was doing, and how he's been warned that he is leading himself and his family down a destructive path, that its not where God wants him, and it's not what Jesus died for him for,
....how IF he thinks that's how the Lord wants him treating his wife, his kids, the other girl, himself, or his Saviour, he might want to check to see if he's even saved!
That's what happened.
My friend asked ME one night about osas, bc he was misunderstanding it and the whole situation, and was in turmoil over his friend.
I explained osas to MY FRIEND, okay? I told you that.
I dont know his buddy (that Im aware of, maybe I do, but he didnt mention names, it's not about gossip, like so many 'christians' like to indulge in, but I dont think I know him anyway)
I didnt tell his buddy to go live in sin like the devil like who cares osas so no big deal,
and I tried to tell you that 3times, but you chose to IGNORE that and continue listening to the lies in your own head and using them against me to condemn me . Again.
Well, I'll have none of it...
I see that stuff all over the place on the net... the false accusations, the twisting of the meaning of eternal security, the bibles words (and my words as well), it's disgusting what ppl who hate grace wont stoop to...you should see some of it.
I have spent more time trying to correct things, oy, but you insist on finding every chance you can to take up sides against me, no matter what.
I cant count the number of times Ive had to say to you, 'No, dear, thats not true, heres the truth'...
'No, dear, that's not the truth, here's the truth'...
'No, dear, that's not the truth, here's the truth'...
Buy you'll just stick to your own story about me anyway.... It's a shame.
You have defended all kinds of things, even heresies, against me at times, why? idk, just to find ways to put me down, it seems? ... ignore? abandon? and the spirit of friendship and brotherly love you dont give to me at all. I really dont know why, I just know it hurts.
You've defended some pretty mean things against me, and I've never quite figured out why, but I have a good guess.
Whether it's the RC denom with all its lies and abominations, or false tv-type 'preachers' etc, it's just crazy.
But their anti-grace teaching leads to antagonism and then excommunication ... I see it so much these days, it's really a shame.
Meanwhile, I'd like to know who the self-righteous hypocrite is that came up with the terms falsegrace, cheapgrace, or easy-believism, ... and he now has works-salvation ppl saying it every chance they get. It's sad and horrible, really.
There's nothing false or cheap about the grace of God. First of all, salvation isnt cheap...it's FREE, and grace is not false or cheap, it's TRUE and it cost God EVERYTHING.
For ppl to throw that term around is just insulting, (idk why you started doing it, you never used to) but I think alot of other ppl do it to try to justify their own CHEAP WORKS, as if they can do anything to add to the finished work of Christ.
Unfortunately, they then convince others to believe the same nonsense, and before you know it, instead of having the joy of salvation and the loving of one another in their hearts, they're persecuting and condemning to hell their own brothers and sisters in the faith.
But maybe THEY'RE the ones that arent in the faith yet. They seem to be stuck in their own version of Romans10:3 ... And they not only refuse to move forward into verses 10:4-13, but seem intent on dragging others down into works-righteousness themselves.
Jesus is not a wishy-washy God.
Who He saves, He saves to the uttermost.
If a person teaches works for salvation, they teach a false gospel.
If they teach you can LOSE the salvation that God GAVE to someone as a gift of His grace, they teach a false gospel.
If someone teaches that there are WORKS you must do, laws you must obey, things you must stop or start or change, in order to get saved or have God keep you saved, they teach a false gospel.
It's the devil that wants to keep ppl doubting and fearing, and having to perform works to get or stay saved, rather than believing in Jesus.
That performance-based righteousnes is not only the sin of unbelief, but it leads to more sins ... Backbiting, strife, gossip, lies and slander, hatred, false accusations against the brethren, it just spirals down to separation and bitterness and anti-christian attitudes and behaviors.
Jesus' biggest problem wasn't so much with sinners sinning, it was with the self-righteous/works-righteous hypocrites that thought they could DO something to earn or keep the salvation which He purchased with His own blood.
I've tried so much to help you see that, and come out from that kind of teaching.
Of course it's great that you wanted to change your lifestyle, dont you think I support you on that? (and just about everything this past year?)
But if someone scared you out of it with threats of hell, hey, I'm glad if you're life improved as a result ...but Maybe the Holy Spirit was convicting you of sin and judgement and righteousness .... That's what He does to the world. But we get saved by hearing and believing the Gospel.
I dont know if thats when you got saved, but if you were already saved but backslidden, then God proved (and you confirmed) that you didnt lose your salvation and God doesnt lose His own. So that's great, right?
And now you are free to believe and preach the GOSPEL of the GRACE of God ... His grace, His mercy, His forgiveness, His longsuffering, His goodness, His love!
We have it all bc of Jesus! You and I ... we could have had alot together under the grace of God .... Maybe we still could, or maybe it's not His will, idk, but I really think it's time to get onboard and on the same page together.
If nothing else, then AT LEAST as brother and sister IN CHRIST.
We should be able to rejoice together.
Please, tho, just beware of false teachers who try to make us focus on sin and works and what good sheep we are, instead of focusing on what a Good Shepherd Jesus is.
Jesus loves you, Imalive ... And for what it's worth, if even as a brother and a friend, so do I.