Does the RCC call Mary "Queen of Heaven"?

What our Catholic teachers taught us was OFTEN wrong (I've learned)..... they are often ignorant of Catholicism even.

BUT (not knowing if this is right, just this is what I was taught)...... in ANCIENT times when this title came into use, a "QUEEN" wasn't just the wife of a king, but equally also his MOTHER. Since Jesus is the King (the King of kings!), ergo.....

IF that's accepted, I'm okay with theology here, but since I don't think ANYWHERE today is "QUEEN" the title for a kings MOTHER, it's probably a confusing term that should be discontinued.

Of course, maybe our Catholic teachers didn't know what they were talking about on this.




- Josiah

Are we allowed to chime in here or is this only Catholic responses?

Lämmchen said:

This is a thread that stemmed from the Mother of God thread in the Christian Theology forum.

Do Catholics call Mary Queen of Heaven?

I looked up on the Vatican site and came across this for the Catechism:

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p123a9p6.htm

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Thank you for this link. Let me study it a bit.

George said:

Are we allowed to chime in here or is this only Catholic responses?

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Well I am the one who asked the question on the other thread, so, I thought the thread was started for discussion on this issue. Certainly you would not forbid me from chiming in on the subject. This is just my 2 cents on the above question.

Lämmchen said:

I think it's fine that you ask questions and want clarification. I started this thread for you but I don't want this to become a nasty debate or Catholic bashing. Not that you would do that, but I want to set the boundaries now

Anyone can ask questions but don't bash and don't get snarky, k?

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OK cool. I saw a video on another thread that helped me also, along with the link you posted. Would it be appropriate in your opinion to refer to it here?

Lämmchen said:

This is a thread that stemmed from the Mother of God thread in the Christian Theology forum.

Do Catholics call Mary Queen of Heaven?

I looked up on the Vatican site and came across this for the Catechism:

"Finally the Immaculate Virgin, preserved free from all stain of original sin, when the course of her earthly life was finished, was taken up body and soul into heavenly glory, and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things, so that she might be the more fully conformed to her Son, the Lord of lords and conqueror of sin and death."508 The Assumption of the Blessed Virgin is a singular participation in her Son's Resurrection and an anticipation of the resurrection of other Christians:

In giving birth you kept your virginity; in your Dormition you did not leave the world, O Mother of God, but were joined to the source of Life. You conceived the living God and, by your prayers, will deliver our souls from death.509

. . . she is our Mother in the order of grace

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p123a9p6.htm

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my only post in this thread- if i address a reply i will do so in PM .


it appears from the above material the answer is .. yes they do .:"the queen over all things" - at term which is even more steeped in blasphemy theN the term queen of heaven . and the rest of the paragraph speaks clearly as a display of how "other teachings " which are not present in the scriptures are imposed over the scriptures .
however it appears if i present the 66 books of the bible as final authority where they clearly oppose or do NOT support the external teachings of rome .. that im "catholic bashing " ?

iF that be the case then i bash everything which opposes the unambiguous truth of the Holy Scriptures ,, i find it of no surprise that Luther had not one or two but 99 points in opposition to rome . and he came upon them by taking the time to actually read the bible and made the error ( i jest) of considering it TRUTH.

Throughout the entirety of the scriptures God speaks of himself as the sole occupant of eternal Glory in all his multifaceted and incomprehensible existence. he lays absolutely NO precedent for the position or existence of a queen of any form - in contrast he presents the very concept as loathsome to himself by the prophet Jeremiah- so we search through the scripture to find where the lord institutes such an office nd .. we find HE DOES NOT EVER DO SO .. it does not exist until one day .. rome brings it forth . SUSPICIOUS ? yes VERY .

catholic bashing .. ? NO! .. it is simply upholding the Truth of the Word of GOD . .. lol and im known for doing so rather passionately. but if its not in the bible and it does not agree with the word of god ..( he cannot contradict himself) .it is not OF God .
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Lämmchen said:

This is a thread that stemmed from the Mother of God thread in the Christian Theology forum.

Do Catholics call Mary Queen of Heaven?

I looked up on the Vatican site and came across this for the Catechism:

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p123a9p6.htm

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Many Catholics do call blessed Mary the queen of heaven basing their words on Revelation 12:1-2And on the title "Queen" applied to Solomon's mother in the scriptures.
Numerous other passages also relate to Mary's exalted role as mother of the King of Kings yet in all of this she is a creature and needed to be redeemed from the curse of the fall and still suffered the effects of the fall in physical forms and in death (very likely she died and was taken bodily to heaven).

Many Catholics do call blessed Mary the queen of heaven basing their words on Revelation 12:1-2
Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman, robed with the sun, standing on the moon, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. She was pregnant, and in labour, crying aloud in the pangs of childbirth. (Revelation 12:1-2)

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oh good grief, have to address that quickly --

it is israel .. the 12 stars are the twelve tribes and the child is the lord JEsus

MoreCoffee said:

Many Catholics do call blessed Mary the queen of heaven basing their words on Revelation 12:1-2

Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman, robed with the sun, standing on the moon, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. She was pregnant, and in labour, crying aloud in the pangs of childbirth. (Revelation 12:1-2)​

And on the title "Queen" applied to Solomon's mother in the scriptures.

'Very well,' Bathsheba replied, 'I shall speak to the king about you.' So Bathsheba went to King Solomon to speak to him about Adonijah; the king got up to meet her and bowed before her; he then sat down on his throne; a seat was brought for the king's mother, and she sat down on his right. She said, 'I have one small request to make you; do not refuse me.' 'Mother,' the king replied, 'make your request, for I shall not refuse you.' (1 Kings 2:18-20)​

Numerous other passages also relate to Mary's exalted role as mother of the King of Kings yet in all of this she is a creature and needed to be redeemed from the curse of the fall and still suffered the effects of the fall in physical forms and in death (very likely she died and was taken bodily to heaven).

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Alithis said:

oh good grief, have to address that quickly --

it is israel .. the 12 stars are the twelve tribes and the child is the lord JEsus

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bill1231 said:

Exactly

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So where exactly does the passage in revelation say "the woman is Israel"? Not there? I guess you're offered an opinion and you reckon it refutes what I posted?

Okay, here's a longer opinion, one I respect more than a quip about Israel being the women in Revelation 12:1-2

Well, after reading through the link provided, and the video posted below, it is clear that the RCC does claim that they call Mary the queen if Heaven. But, the Bible states that our Father hates the figure called the queen of Heaven.I hope this will not be seen as catholic bashing, but as a gentle revelation of the truth. It may be hard but sometimes hard truths have to be revealed. Mary would be horrified to know that people call her the queen of Heaven. That people were holding feasts to her, and praying to her.But, the figure our Father hates laps up all of this worship. Mary is the veneer(cloak).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0dk8F0KYxY

Here is what the Holy Word of God says about this so called queen of heaven, and judge whether Mary would want to wear that title. Would you?

Jeremiah 7:18
The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.

Jeremiah 44:17
But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.

Jeremiah 44:18
But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine.

Jeremiah 44:19
And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven, and poured out drink offerings unto her, did we make her cakes to worship her, and pour out drink offerings unto her, without our men?

Jeremiah 44:25
Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel, saying; Ye and your wives have both spoken with your mouths, and fulfilled with your hand, saying, We will surely perform our vows that we have vowed, to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her: ye will surely accomplish your vows, and surely perform your vows.

I do not really understand the fixation on an old covenant pagan deity called "queen of heaven". It is as if the use of a title or a name by a pagan religion somehow contaminates the title for eternity. The Lord God Yahweh's titles are used in pagan religions; "lord" is "baal" in the Canaanite pagan religion, and "god" is 'el" and "elohim" in Hebrew both words being also used amongst the pagan Canaanites and other pagans in the Levant. "The Great King" is a title applied to Yahweh but also to pagan deities. so if "queen of heaven" is somehow eternally contaminated because it was used of a pagan deity then stop using "Lord", "God", "The Lord" and so forth because they too would be contaminated by pagan use.

That the Blessed Virgin Mary is also referred to as the Queen of heaven because of Revelation 12:1,2 and other passages (I mentioned some of them in previous posts) is in no way pagan, Blessed Mary is the mother of the Lord Jesus Christ and is most certainly a Christian.

bill1231 said:

Blessed she was but I dont think that heaven really has a queen

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I do, and I think that Revelation 12:1-2 depicts her. //Fixed Bible tag.

bill1231 said:

Blessed she was but I dont think that heaven really has a queen

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It doesnt and the verses being offered. To back the claim could not be more incorrect.