AA and Christianity

ImaginaryDay2 · Sep 18, 2015

Hammster said:
Darkness will surely bring about "good" if that "good" will keep someone from Christ.

Any "good" is from God, who gets the glory for all gifts. The error on the part of the receiver of those good things not to acknowledge Him is where sin lies.

ImaginaryDay2 · Sep 18, 2015

ImaginaryDay2 · Sep 18, 2015

Hammster said:
Darkness will surely bring about "good" if that "good" will keep someone from Christ.

You missed this part - Care to answer?

ImaginaryDay2 said:
...as far as the "disease/sin" dichotomy, can you explain how "sin" can alter brain and body chemistry so that one sinner's body can process alcohol normally, and another's can't?

Hammster · Sep 18, 2015

MoreCoffee said:
Alcoholic addiction is very difficult for some people to overcome, constant encouragement and help is often needed. The same is true of some drug addictions too.

Someone claimed alcoholism could be cured.

MoreCoffee · Sep 18, 2015

Hammster said:
Someone claimed alcoholism could be cured.

Many alcoholics no longer get drunk, that is a cure of the malady associated with alcoholism but it may not mean that the propensity to alcohol abuse is gone from those people. Similarly one can repent of sins by turning away from them and towards God and so sin less often yet it is often still true that the propensity to sin remains.

Hammster · Sep 18, 2015

ImaginaryDay2 said:
Any "good" is from God, who gets the glory for all gifts. The error on the part of the receiver of those good things not to acknowledge Him is where sin lies.

I guess you missed my point. I'll try again.

Satan isn't opposed to things that look good (sobriety, for instance) as long as it keeps them from the intimate good, Jesus Christ.

Hammster · Sep 18, 2015

ImaginaryDay2 said:
You missed this part - Care to answer?

So are you saying that there's an actual physical medical condition?

Hammster · Sep 18, 2015

MoreCoffee said:
Many alcoholics no longer get drunk, that is a cure of the malady associated with alcoholism but it may not mean that the propensity to alcohol abuse is gone from those people. Similarly one can repent of sins by turning away from them and towards God and so sin less often yet it is often still true that the propensity to sin remains.

I'm not the one who implied it could be cured. I don't think it's a disease. I think it's a sin issue that needs the gospel.

ImaginaryDay2 · Sep 18, 2015

Hammster said:
Someone claimed alcoholism could be cured.

Really? Where?

ImaginaryDay2 · Sep 18, 2015

Hammster said:
So are you saying that there's an actual physical medical condition?

Yes.

Hammster · Sep 18, 2015

ImaginaryDay2 said:
Yes.

Then they need medical help, not a meeting.

ImaginaryDay2 · Sep 18, 2015

Hammster said:
So are you saying that there's an actual physical medical condition?

Yes. It's called the "Medical Model" of addiction.

ImaginaryDay2 · Sep 18, 2015

Hammster said:
Then they need medical help, not a meeting.

I agree to a point. They need both.

Hammster · Sep 18, 2015

ImaginaryDay2 said:
Really? Where?

ImaginaryDay2 said:
Lie (what we believe about A.A. teaching): "I am _____ and I am an alcoholic"
A.A. teaching: "We are men and women who have recovered from a hopeless state of mind and body" -Bill W., Co-Founder.

Even A.A. members can believe a lie. When I was a member, I refused to state the lie, but taught what Bill W. taught.

^^^

MoreCoffee · Sep 18, 2015

Hammster said:
I'm not the one who implied it could be cured. I don't think it's a disease. I think it's a sin issue that needs the gospel.

What other 'conditions' do you regard as sin problems and not as diseases? Is alcoholism the only one?

Hammster · Sep 18, 2015

ImaginaryDay2 said:
I agree to a point. They need both.

That's fine. But it's sinful to say that they need an idol to help them overcome their sin issue. That's what happens when you tell them they need a "higher power" other than Christ.

Hammster · Sep 18, 2015

MoreCoffee said:
What other 'conditions' do you regard as sin problems and not as diseases? Is alcoholism the only one?

Non sequitur.

MoreCoffee · Sep 18, 2015

Hammster said:
Non sequitur.

I see.

Alcoholism is an addicted condition which is treatable using medical techniques.

Hammster · Sep 18, 2015

MoreCoffee said:
I see.

Alcoholism is an addicted condition which is treatable using medical techniques.

Okay. Then no need for AA.

MoreCoffee · Sep 18, 2015

Hammster said:
Okay. Then no need for AA.

Maybe, maybe not; AA is sometimes part of the medical treatment of the condition.

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