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Its source is an unreliable document written several centuries after the alleged event.

If it can be traced back to pre-Nicea in the Church, I would believe it...

But if it were written, say, in 1265 in Latin, not so much, n'est pas?


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If it can be traced back to pre-Nicea in the Church, I would believe it...

But if it were written, say, in 1265 in Latin, not so much, n'est pas?


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Wikipedia says
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The Acts of Peter is one of the earliest of the apocryphal Acts of the Apostles. The majority of the text has survived only in the Latin translation of the Vercelli manuscript, under the title Actus Petri *** Simone. It is mainly notable for a description of a miracle contest between Saint Peter and Simon Magus, and as the first record of the tradition that St. Peter was crucified head-down.

The Acts of Peter was originally composed in Greek during the second half of the 2nd century, probably in Asia Minor. Consensus among academics points to its being based on the Acts of John, and traditionally both works were said to be written by Leucius Charinus, whom Epiphanius identifies as the companion of John.

In the text Peter performs miracles such as resurrecting smoked fish, and making dogs talk. Some versions give accounts of stories on the theme of a woman or women who prefer paralysis to sex; sometimes, for instance in a version from the Berlin Codex, the woman is the daughter of Peter. The text condemns Simon Magus, a figure associated with gnosticism, who appears to have concerned the writer of the text greatly. Peter preaches that Simon is performing magic in order to convert followers through deception. In Peter's outrage, he challenges Simon to a contest in order to prove whose works are from a divine source and whose are merely trickery. It is said that Simon Magus takes flight and Peter strikes him down with the power of God and prays that Simon be not killed but that he be badly injured. When the Magus falls from the sky, he suffers a broken leg in three places, and the converted believers of Peter stone him from the city. The Acts then continue to say that he was taken to Terracina to one Castor "And there he was sorely cut (Lat. by two physicians), and so Simon the angel of Satan came to his end.".

Following this incident, Peter is going to flee the city; however, he sees an apparition of Jesus and takes it as a message that he must stay and be crucified to see Jesus again in Heaven. Peter requests to be crucified upside-down because he does not believe that a man is worthy to be killed in the same manner as Jesus Christ. These concluding chapters describing Peter's crucifixion are preserved separately as the "Martyrdom of Peter" in three Greek manuscripts and in Coptic (fragmentary), Syriac, Ethiopic, Arabic, Armenian, and Slavonic versions. Because of this, it is sometimes proposed that the martyrdom account was an earlier, separate text to which the preceding chapters were affixed.
 

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Wikipedia says

The Greek Orthodox Archdiocese, regarding the Feast of Its. Peter and Paul:

https://www.goarch.org/chapel/saints?contentid=103

The divinely-blessed Peter was from Bethsaida of Galilee. He was the son of Jonas and the brother of Andrew the First-called. He was a fisherman by trade, unlearned and poor, and was called Simon; later he was renamed Peter by the Lord Jesus Christ Himself, Who looked at him and said, "Thou art Simon the son of Jonas; thou shalt be called Cephas (which is by interpretation, Peter)" (John 1:42). On being raised by the Lord to the dignity of an Apostle and becoming inseparable from Him as His zealous disciple, he followed Him from the beginning of His preaching of salvation up until the very Passion, when, in the court of Caiaphas the high priest, he denied Him thrice because of his fear of the Jews and of the danger at hand. But again, after many bitter tears, he received complete forgiveness of his transgression. After the Resurrection of Christ and the descent of the Holy Spirit, he preached in Judea, Antioch, and certain parts of Asia, and finally came to Rome, where he was crucified upside down by Nero, and thus he ascended to the eternal habitations about the year 66 or 68, leaving two Catholic (General) Epistles to the Church of Christ.

Nothing about his return to Rome...

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I did say that the document is regarded as unreliable.
 

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I did say that the document is regarded as unreliable.

Well, the same document would seem to have been used to describe his upside-down crucifixion that also cited his encounter with Christ on the road...

So perhaps the same document account can be received and not received in parts?


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Well, the same document would seem to have been used to describe his upside-down crucifixion that also cited his encounter with Christ on the road...

So perhaps the same document account can be received and not received in parts?


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Of course, not everything in a book need be of equal varsity.
 

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Of course, not everything in a book need be of equal varsity.

So what might that look like?

Peter gets crucified upside down, and word of his death spreads throughout the Church, first in Rome, of course, and then throughout all Christendom...

And then maybe someone says he ran into Christ as he was fleeing from Rome, and came back to be martyred...

And an oral tradition arises around his death, which we can presume contained embellishments...

And maybe conflicting versions were being told...

So a person writes down all the versions onto one document, say, 200 years later...

And the Church then receives some of it, but not perhaps all...

And we have the document now, as it has been passed down...

And we presume to say what of it is true and what is not true...

And we criticize the document because it was not written for 200 years after the event described...

How can it be true when written by someone not there or a witness, yes?

So perhaps we should look to the Orthros readings of St. Peter's Feast Day...

For there we should get the teaching of the Church on the manner of his death...

And then we will have the teaching of the Ground and the Pillar of the Truth...


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So what might that look like?

It looks like almost every book written by human beings and printed or hand copied by human beings. In short, some truth, some error, some accuracy, and some inaccuracy.
 
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