WE ARE NOT NEW TESTAMENT CHRISTIANS

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To label the church, the body of Christ, as new testament is not really accurate. Israel was given the new testament.

Psalms 105:8 He hath remembered his covenant for ever, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations.

105:9 Which covenant he made with Abraham, and his oath unto Isaac;

105:10 And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant:

Acts 3:25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

Israel was given the covenants, and the law.

Psalm 119:44 So shall I keep thy law continually for ever and ever.

The law was given to Israel for ever. Jesus did not come to abolish the law.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Jesus upheld the law during his earthly ministry, and also conveyed that during his reign on earth, in his kingdom, the law would be in effect.

Luke 1:5 THERE was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.

1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

Israel was to obey the law to be righteous before God in their daily life.

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Israel was to keep the law to reign with Christ in his earthly kingdom.

Psalm 78:10 They kept not the covenant of God, and refused to walk in his law;

Israel was rebellious, and failed to be obedient.

Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Hebrews 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
God made a new covenant with Israel. God would cleanse Israel, and by his Spirit, give Israel the ability to keep his law, and covenant.

Hebrews 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

The covenant, because of Israel's failure to keep it, became old.

Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

God's new covenant would enable them to keep his law, and provide the righteousness needed to enter the kingdom on earth.

Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

By this covenant, made to Abraham, the church today, the body of Christ, can claim spiritual benefit; we have, by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, our salvation, our inheritance, and the promised Spirit.

Romans 15:8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:

15:9 And that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name.

Israel's promises have been confirmed by the Lord Jesus Christ. Israel will receive all that God has promised.

The church, in this dispensation of grace, are not truly new testament believers. Today, the body of Christ, has the spiritual blessings of the new covenant, but is not under a covenant. We are under the dispensation of grace, where neither Jew or Greek are under law, but grace. We have received mercy; we are complete in Christ.
 

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To label the church, the body of Christ, as new testament is not really accurate. Israel was given the new testament.

Psalms 105:8 He hath remembered his covenant for ever, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations.

105:9 Which covenant he made with Abraham, and his oath unto Isaac;

105:10 And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant:

Acts 3:25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

Israel was given the covenants, and the law.

Psalm 119:44 So shall I keep thy law continually for ever and ever.

The law was given to Israel for ever. Jesus did not come to abolish the law.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Jesus upheld the law during his earthly ministry, and also conveyed that during his reign on earth, in his kingdom, the law would be in effect.

Luke 1:5 THERE was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.

1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

Israel was to obey the law to be righteous before God in their daily life.

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Israel was to keep the law to reign with Christ in his earthly kingdom.

Psalm 78:10 They kept not the covenant of God, and refused to walk in his law;

Israel was rebellious, and failed to be obedient.

Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Hebrews 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
God made a new covenant with Israel. God would cleanse Israel, and by his Spirit, give Israel the ability to keep his law, and covenant.

Hebrews 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

The covenant, because of Israel's failure to keep it, became old.

Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

God's new covenant would enable them to keep his law, and provide the righteousness needed to enter the kingdom on earth.

Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

By this covenant, made to Abraham, the church today, the body of Christ, can claim spiritual benefit; we have, by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, our salvation, our inheritance, and the promised Spirit.

Romans 15:8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:

15:9 And that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name.

Israel's promises have been confirmed by the Lord Jesus Christ. Israel will receive all that God has promised.

The church, in this dispensation of grace, are not truly new testament believers. Today, the body of Christ, has the spiritual blessings of the new covenant, but is not under a covenant. We are under the dispensation of grace, where neither Jew or Greek are under law, but grace. We have received mercy; we are complete in Christ.
Grace has always been God's means of fulfilling the promise of salvation to his elect.
There is no Old Testament or New Testament. There is only God's consistent work of grace from Genesis onward...as He promised.
Dispensationalism is a very modern, poorly contrived theory of interpretation. I reject its premise.
 

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Yes you are right...always by grace through faith by Christ and his blood sacrifice of himself.

But in the verses below, there is an old and a new covenant with Israel.

Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Hebrews 8:12 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

I am not being impudent, but are you building and ark? May I respectfully say that it is because of rightly dividing the Bible neither you nor I are.
 

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Hello

Yes you are right...always by grace through faith by Christ and his blood sacrifice of himself.

But in the verses below, there is an old and a new covenant with Israel.

Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Hebrews 8:12 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

I am not being impudent, but are you building and ark? May I respectfully say that it is because of rightly dividing the Bible neither you nor I are.
The church is Israel...the people of the Promise. It has always been this way. Salvation is given to the promised ones.
 

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The church is Israel...the people of the Promise. It has always been this way. Salvation is given to the promised ones.
That is replacement theology which is totally wrong. Remember that we are grafted in not replacing them
 

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That is replacement theology which is totally wrong. Remember that we are grafted in not replacing them
This is Children of the promise, not children of the law. We are grafted in to the promise given to Abraham, Isaac and Israel, not into the law of Moses. The children of the promise have always been from more than just the genetic line of Jacob. We are children, chosen by God to receive faith.
Not all Israel is Israel.
 

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That is replacement theology which is totally wrong. Remember that we are grafted in not replacing them
There is no shade of difference between gentile or Jew when accepting Christ's covenant
 
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