Three days and three nights: Crucifixion timeline

Andrew · Feb 12, 2019

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Sabbaths

Albion · Feb 12, 2019

Andrew said:
To the Jew it's considered the sign of Jonas, and no it is not a western "day" it is purely 'nightfall to nightfall' Jewish days.
Were they supposed to take it as simply a metaphor for "completion"?

They "took it" in the way that I explained before.

Josiah · Feb 12, 2019

Andrew said:
There no mention of the "high day" Sabbath in this article.
A day John refers to, and a day that does not fall on the weekly sabbath.
The high day sabbath falls 7 times a year (unless they fell on the same day) Jesus was in the grave for both sabbaths.

Ain't so sure about all that....

And of course, we have no idea what year all this happened in...

I think we're looking at all this as modern Westerners .... and making WAY too much of it.

Arsenios · Feb 12, 2019

Andrew said:
There no mention of the "high day" Sabbath in this article.
A day John refers to, and a day that does not fall on the weekly sabbath.
The high day sabbath falls 7 times a year (unless they fell on the same day) Jesus was in the grave for both sabbaths.

Without looking, I am recalling that the Sabbath that year WAS a High Day...
So Christ died on Friday before that Sabbath could begin - eg prior to Sunset...
He spent the entire Sabbath High Day in Death's Dominion overcoming Death... From Sunset to Sunset...
And the third day He arose from the dead having overcome Death in His Own Human Flesh...
The third day "very early in the morning"...
In the wee hours of daybreak...
The first hint of the lightening of the darkness of night...
Mary Magdalene thinking Him to be the Gardner...

I have a very good friend who is an Anabaptist pastor who had adjusted his timeline as you did, and had all his ducks in a row proving his point of view, and was eager to prove himself right to all comers... I just smiled and said OK... And I prayed for him - No big - I do that all the time anyway... But this time God sent him a Messianic Jew, a really sharp guy, who said to him: "Look, Pastor - I know you think you have it figured out, but I am a Jew, and I am telling you, from all the even scientific data currently available for this time, and there is ONLY ONE POSSIBLE accounting for the facts of Scripture, where all the facts CAN align consistently, and that is the Fri - Sun account... So my friend listened carefully, did the research, and affirmed the Orthodox Catholic account... Glory to God!

Arsenios

Andrew · Feb 12, 2019

Arsenios said:
Without looking, I am recalling that the Sabbath that year WAS a High Day...
So Christ died on Friday before that Sabbath could begin - eg prior to Sunset...
He spent the entire Sabbath High Day in Death's Dominion overcoming Death... From Sunset to Sunset...
And the third day He arose from the dead having overcome Death in His Own Human Flesh...
The third day "very early in the morning"...
In the wee hours of daybreak...
The first hint of the lightening of the darkness of night...
Mary Magdalene thinking Him to be the Gardner...

I have a very good friend who is an Anabaptist pastor who had adjusted his timeline as you did, and had all his ducks in a row proving his point of view, and was eager to prove himself right to all comers... I just smiled and said OK... And I prayed for him - No big - I do that all the time anyway... But this time God sent him a Messianic Jew, a really sharp guy, who said to him: "Look, Pastor - I know you think you have it figured out, but I am a Jew, and I am telling you, from all the even scientific data currently available for this time, and there is ONLY ONE POSSIBLE accounting for the facts of Scripture, where all the facts CAN align consistently, and that is the Fri - Sun account... So my friend listened carefully, did the research, and affirmed the Orthodox Catholic account... Glory to God!

Arsenios

Well I suppose it's possible that the High Day Sabbath fell on the sabbath day

Arsenios · Feb 12, 2019

Andrew said:
Well I suppose it's possible that the High Day Sabbath fell on the sabbath day

Which narrows things considerably, all by itself...

Let me do the search - I think it was in John...

Arsenios

Joh 19:31
The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation,
that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the Sabbath Day,
(for that Sabbath Day was an High Day,)
besought Pilate that their legs might be broken,
and that they might be taken away.

There you have it...

The condemned could not be left alive on their crosses for the Sabbath, lest it be defiled...

Breaking their legs caused immediate suffocation...

But Christ GAVE up His soul...

A.

Andrew · Feb 12, 2019

Arsenios said:
Which narrows things considerably, all by itself...

Let me do the search - I think it was in John...

Arsenios

Joh 19:31
The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation,
that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the Sabbath Day,
(for that Sabbath Day was an High Day,)
besought Pilate that their legs might be broken,
and that they might be taken away.

There you have it...

The condemned could not be left alive on their crosses for the Sabbath, lest it be defiled...

Breaking their legs caused immediate suffocation...

But Christ GAVE up His soul...

A.

That goes for all Sabbath days, the Preparation is always followed by the Sabbath whether it be the weekly sabbath or the seven annual high day Sabbath days. I'll take Josiahs and Albions explanation that 3 days is an idiom and not meaning 72 hours... I believe the other is possible as well, oh well who cares lol I guess we can never know for sure just as we don't know when Christ birthday actually was.

Arsenios · Feb 12, 2019

Andrew said:
That goes for all Sabbath days, the Preparation is always followed by the Sabbath whether it be the weekly sabbath or the seven annual high day Sabbath days. I'll take Josiahs and Albions explanation that 3 days is an idiom and not meaning 72 hours... I believe the other is possible as well, oh well who cares lol I guess we can never know for sure just as we don't know when Christ birthday actually was.

John does record that this particular Sabbath WAS an High Day...

(for that Sabbath Day was an High Day,)

3 days means ANY portion of the three days...

And the Church Christ established has been consistent since the beginnings of it being Fri afternoon, Sat all night and all day, and Sun early morning...

That is how they have understood the Scripture they canonized and you are citing...

Time is not now what it was then understood...

Byzantine Time is Biblical Time...

Gen 1:5
And God called the light Day,
and the darkness he called Night.
And the evening and the morning
were the first day.

The Day ends with the setting of the sun...
Which begins the Night...
Night followed by Day was the first day...
Which defines a Biblical day...

Arsenios

Arsenios · Feb 12, 2019

The first hour begins at sunrise...
The sixth hour is noon...
The demon of noon-day is despondence...
Prayers in the night carry great power...

Awaken in the night and pray!

The Midnight Office is one of my favorite Services...
If indeed I be permitted such a one...

In it we pray or chant the 118th Psalm (119th in your Psalter, I think...]
Which is itself a whole Kathisma in a single Psalm...

Arsenios

Andrew · Feb 12, 2019

Arsenios said:
John does record that this particular Sabbath WAS an High Day...

(for that Sabbath Day was an High Day,)

3 days means ANY portion of the three days...

And the Church Christ established has been consistent since the beginnings of it being Fri afternoon, Sat all night and all day, and Sun early morning...

That is how they have understood the Scripture they canonized and you are citing...

Time is not now what it was then understood...

Byzantine Time is Biblical Time...

Gen 1:5
And God called the light Day,
and the darkness he called Night.
And the evening and the morning
were the first day.

The Day ends with the setting of the sun...
Which begins the Night...
Night followed by Day was the first day...
Which defines a Biblical day...

Arsenios

Yes but when John said "The Sabbath was a High Day" it does not mean that he is talking about the weekly Sabbath, it could mean that it fell on the weekly Sabbath but it doesn't specify, just that IT was a High Day Sabbath, which occurs seven times out of the year.
What these apologist are saying (in the videos, links and charts) is that if we take the 3 days and 3 nights as 72 full hours that it is possible and very likely that this was a High Day that fell on Wed leaving exactly three days for Jesus to be resurrected by Sunday.
As for the sake of tradition and Jewish idioms we can say parts of three days, less than 36 hours in the grave but "complete"...
Does it change the outcome in the end? Not one bit, but in theory BOTH are possible and equally the same outcomes.
I would like to believe that a day means a day but then again I hold to the gap theory so jokes on me lol.

Andrew · Feb 12, 2019

Josiah said:
Ain't so sure about all that....

And of course, we have no idea what year all this happened in...

I think we're looking at all this as modern Westerners .... and making WAY too much of it.

True and I agree, I just found it logical but I quickly disregard it as it's not any thing fundamental or of value. The outcome does not change, makes for a good and rather swift conversation

atpollard · Feb 12, 2019

[Luk 24:19-21 NLT] 19 "What things?" Jesus asked. "The things that happened to Jesus, the man from Nazareth," they said. "He was a prophet who did powerful miracles, and he was a mighty teacher in the eyes of God and all the people. 20 But our leading priests and other religious leaders handed him over to be condemned to death, and they crucified him. 21 We had hoped he was the Messiah who had come to rescue Israel. This all happened three days ago.

Do the math.

Andrew · Feb 12, 2019

atpollard said:
[Luk 24:19-21 NLT] 19 "What things?" Jesus asked. "The things that happened to Jesus, the man from Nazareth," they said. "He was a prophet who did powerful miracles, and he was a mighty teacher in the eyes of God and all the people. 20 But our leading priests and other religious leaders handed him over to be condemned to death, and they crucified him. 21 We had hoped he was the Messiah who had come to rescue Israel. This all happened three days ago.

Do the math.

Like I said, if its on a sunday then 3 days ago would seem to be friday, although not 72 solid hours so I suppose it was just parts of three days where a high day sabbath ended up on the weekly sabbath. Right?
Makes sense

Arsenios · Feb 12, 2019

atpollard said:
[Luk 24:19-21 NLT] 19 "What things?" Jesus asked. "The things that happened to Jesus, the man from Nazareth," they said. "He was a prophet who did powerful miracles, and he was a mighty teacher in the eyes of God and all the people. 20 But our leading priests and other religious leaders handed him over to be condemned to death, and they crucified him. 21 We had hoped he was the Messiah who had come to rescue Israel. This all happened three days ago.

Do the math.

And of course they are talking with the Risen Christ...

Arsenios

Andrew · Feb 12, 2019

Great points made by the team here, I thank you all, I'm ok with the three days in parts and not the solid 72 hours, point is he did it, he did it for us amen.

pinacled · Feb 13, 2019

Yom rishon יום ראשון - First Day

Yom Sheni יום שני - Second Day

Yom Shlishi יום שלישי - Third Day

Yom Revi’i יום רביעי - Fourth Day

Yom Chamishi יום חמישי - Fifth Day

Yom Shishi יום שישי - Sixth Day

Yom Shabbat יום שבת - Sabbath Day

Equating Julian or Gregorian days to a timeline is futile.

Three days and three nights: Crucifixion timeline

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