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    Christian Theology - Thread: Paul's description of salvation "in Christ"

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      Paul's description of salvation "in Christ"

      "This idea of being “in Christ” is arguably one of the most potent—and perplexing—aspects of Paul’s letters.

      Although we tend to speak of salvation as “Jesus in my heart” (a phrase used only one time in the Bible—Eph. 3:17) or as “Christ in me” (which is mentioned five times in the Bible—2 Cor. 13:5, Rom. 8:10, Gal. 4:19, Gal. 2:20, Col. 1:27), Paul says something far more often: He uses the phrase “in Christ” 165 times. The Bible’s favorite way of describing our salvation is one we rarely use. For Paul, salvation was simple: It was being joined to Jesus Christ.

      When I first began to study Paul, I glossed over this description and assumed it was just another way of talking about what Jesus did for me on the cross. But the more I read Scripture, the more I realized that Paul was actually talking about being joined to Jesus. As John Calvin writes, “But we do not regard Christ as outside of and distant from us, in such a way that His righteousness is imputed to us in mechanical fashion, but we put Him on and are made members of His body, and He has deemed us worthy to be united with him."

      the whole article from christianity today is here
      https://www.christianitytoday.com/wo...arely-use.html

      Is this author correct. That this may be the most potent aspects of Paul's letters?
      What does being "in Christ" mean to you?

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      I get an image in my head of being a part of the one body whenever I hear "in Christ".
      "Christianity does not require more work but more trust." Pr. Jonathan Fisk
      "Bearing fruit does not make you a branch. A branch is a branch because it grows from the vine." Pr. Jonathan Fisk
      "A Christian's life is not defined by what the Christian does. It is defined by Christ and what He has done for us." Pr. Rolf David Preus

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      Paul expresses it well in Ephesians 2.
      Ephesians 2:4-7
      But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
      By faith we recognize our position before God. God the Father looks upon Jesus and see's us in Christ. If God saw us apart from Christ, God would see us as filthy rags. We just have NO self-righteousness we can point to. We have utterly fallen short. But...in Christ we are fully atoned and made holy before God our judge.
      To be "in Christ" is to be seated before God and be seen as holy and righteous. What an AMAZING GRACE that is!!!

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      Quote Originally Posted by jsimms435 View Post
      "This idea of being “in Christ” is arguably one of the most potent—and perplexing—aspects of Paul’s letters....
      He uses the phrase “in Christ” 165 times.
      Indeed those who are saved are "in Christ"...

      And Paul further tells us how we become "in Christ"...

      Rom 6:3
      Know ye not, that
      as many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ
      were baptized into his death?


      We are IN Christ because we have been Baptized INTO Christ...

      The Bible’s favorite way of describing our salvation is one we rarely use.
      Indeed -

      And to the utter shame of those who rarely use it...

      The Ekklesia is the Body of Christ into Which we are Baptized BY Christ THROUGH the hands of Christ's Servants...


      Arsenios

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      Quote Originally Posted by Arsenios View Post
      Indeed those who are saved are "in Christ"...

      And Paul further tells us how we become "in Christ"...

      Rom 6:3
      Know ye not, that
      as many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ
      were baptized into his death?


      We are IN Christ because we have been Baptized INTO Christ...



      Indeed -

      And to the utter shame of those who rarely use it...

      The Ekklesia is the Body of Christ into Which we are Baptized BY Christ THROUGH the hands of Christ's Servants...


      Arsenios
      The Spirit of God does a wonderful job of immersing (baptizing) us into Christ so that we are entirely immersed into Him.
      Water baptism symbolizes that great work of the Spirit.
      I sure wish you would give up your belief in a magical water baptism that saves.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
      The Spirit of God does a wonderful job of immersing (baptizing) us into Christ so that we are entirely immersed into Him.
      Water baptism symbolizes that great work of the Spirit.
      I sure wish you would give up your belief in a magical water baptism that saves.
      Act 10:47
      Can any man forbid the Water,
      that these should not be Baptized,
      who have received the Holy Spirit
      as well as we?


      Why do they need Baptism if they are already Baptized?

      What is the Biblical point of the Water?


      Arsenios

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      Quote Originally Posted by Arsenios View Post
      Act 10:47
      Can any man forbid the Water,
      that these should not be Baptized,
      who have received the Holy Spirit
      as well as we?


      Why do they need Baptism if they are already Baptized?

      What is the Biblical point of the Water?


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      To symbolize what the Spirit had just done. It is a public indication to the pagan world that believers are no longer citizens of this world, but are now citizens of the Kingdom of God.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
      To symbolize what the Spirit had just done.
      The Bible says we are Baptized INTO Christ, and that Christ was Baptized in the Jordan's waters...

      Where does it say Baptism is symbolic of the deeds of the Holy Spirit already performed...?

      It is a public indication to the pagan world that believers are no longer citizens of this world,
      but are now citizens of the Kingdom of God.
      And where in the Bible is this false belief found?


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      Quote Originally Posted by Arsenios View Post
      The Bible says we are Baptized INTO Christ, and that Christ was Baptized in the Jordan's waters...

      Where does it say Baptism is symbolic of the deeds of the Holy Spirit already performed...?



      And where in the Bible is this false belief found?


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      Arsenios, I have shared the scriptures with you before. You are just stuck in your tradition so that you cannot imagine any other baptism except water baptism. Therefore you turn water into magic.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
      Arsenios, I have shared the scriptures with you before. You are just stuck in your tradition so that you cannot imagine any other baptism except water baptism. Therefore you turn water into magic.
      CHRIST commanded the Apostles to disciple all the nations, baptizing them...

      YOU say the Holy Spirit does the baptizing...

      Forgive me if I take Christ's word and not your opinion...


      Arsenios

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