Like I said. It takes a certain kind of crazy to believe that some church in England predates the church in Rome.
Romans 1:1-7 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God [SUP]2[/SUP] which he promised beforehand through his prophets in the holy scriptures, [SUP]3[/SUP] the gospel concerning his Son, who was descended from David according to the flesh [SUP]4[/SUP] and designated Son of God in power according to the Spirit of holiness by his resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord, [SUP]5[/SUP] through whom we have received grace and apostleship to bring about the obedience of faith for the sake of his name among all the nations, [SUP]6[/SUP] including yourselves who are called to belong to Jesus Christ; [SUP]7[/SUP] To all God's beloved in Rome, who are called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
So where's the letter to the church in Canterbury or London?
Where is the letter from one of the 13 Apostles to the church in Australia? If you have none, does that mean there are no Christians in Australia?
Yes, Albion, it really does take a certain kind of crazy to believe that there was a church in England before there was a church in Rome.
He never remotely said that, of course, He said there were Christians in Britan before there was the Catholic denomination. And I think that's pretty solid. Of course, there were Christians in Jerusalem and Antioch before there were Christians living within the city walls of Rome, too. What does that prove?
And of course, Paul never so much as mentions Peter... or your denomination... not once in that letter to Christians living in the city of Rome. He writes to CHRISTIANS, in no way differently than when he writes to Christian people living in Ephesus or Collossi or Thessalonica or Corinth.
It takes talent to be that insane.
The "insanity" is to choose ONE city .... totally disregarding every other city or area where Christians lived and thus where congregations existed..... select one Apostle and totally disregard every other Apostle and Christian... then say that because you point out there were Christians in that one city, ERGO the specific Roman Catholic Denomination MUST have pre-existed it, MUST have founded it and MUST have operated and owned it....
What seems "crazy" or "insane" (to use YOUR chosen words) is how you again do your "I80" - (falsely) accusing Albion for doing EXACTLY what you are doing.... he's simply referring to Christians in the British Isles and you within the city walls of Rome. Your whole premise is that just because there are Christians in an area does not mean a specific denomination existed then. Valid point. Then you totally contradict yourself and claim that because there were Christians living within the city walls of Rome proves there was a specific denomination that existed then, you just doing the thing YOU call "crazy" and "insane." You condemn your whole apologetic and claim of your denomination every time you do; how you (again) shoot yourself in the foot. Funny how you AGAIN condemn your whole point and a foundational "claim" of your denomination. I don't call you or your denomination "crazy" or "insane" just egotistical, with zero biblical or historical support.
There were Christians in LOTS of places before there were any in the City of Rome. And there were perhaps over LOTS and LOTS Christians living, worshiping and ministering from China to Ethiopia to Ireland before Rome created your denomination for itself and before England created the Anglican denomination for itself. Your point that just because Christian people existed in an area does NOT mean any particular denomination did is true - even though you both condemn that as specifically "
crazy" and "
insane" while insisting it is absolutely, dogmatically and unavoidably true.
Now, none of this has anything to do with the validity or quality of either the Catholic or Anglican denominations... it just means there were Christians and Christian congregations before those denominations were established.
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