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    World Religion & Speculative Theology - Thread: CRISIS IN ORTHODOXY - UKRANIAN AUTOCEPHALOY

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      CRISIS IN ORTHODOXY - UKRANIAN AUTOCEPHALOY

      This is a major blow to the Orthodox Faith, where the Ecumenical Patriarch in Constantinople has granted autocephaly to a schizmatic group in the Ukraine and stepped into political activism... This is the Russian Church's Patriarch's response:



      The Church is now in deep prayer...

      The Ukraine government is already taking over Russian Monasteries - eg the Kiev Caves...

      It could get very ugly...

      An attack on the Russian Church's historical presence in the Ukraine...

      Seeing Patriarch Kyrill's reply is an example of the best of the Holy Tradition of the Orthodox Faith...

      So I share it here...

      This thread is not open for debate or flaming...

      Thank-you...


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      Auto big head?

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      This music seems appropriate for this historic mis-step on the part of the Ecumenical Patriarch...




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      Autocephaly (/ˌɔːtəˈsɛfəli/; from Greek: αὐτοκεφαλία, meaning "property of being self-headed” would biblically be the autonominaous (sp?) also? Such as every church having their own locality?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Cassia View Post
      Autocephaly (/ˌɔːtəˈsɛfəli/; from Greek: αὐτοκεφαλία, meaning "property of being self-headed” would biblically be the autonominaous (sp?) also? Such as every church having their own locality?
      Yes - Self-headed... When the Russian Church in the Ukraine is under the Moscow Patriarchate... The pro-West government has been seeking a way to break the Russian hold over the Faith in the Ukraine, and the Ecumenical Patriarch has joined with the west to break it up by Ekklesiastical fiat...

      It is a power grab for political purposes...

      Here he speaks again:




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      Very hard to define Protestants that are joined to Orthodox from the autonomous norms probably more noticeable on the old continent. Pentecostal is still seen as more the norm than not in America.
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      Here is a TV news article interviewing Bishop Jonas...



      Interesting times, one can say...

      So we pray...


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      Quote Originally Posted by Cassia View Post
      Very hard to define Protestants that are joined to Orthodox from the autonomous norms probably more noticeable on the old continent. Pentecostal is still seen as more the norm than not in America.
      Yes - In the US, most Churches are auto-cephalous under each one's local pastor and council...

      Communion and its withdrawal in the EOC is a very big deal...

      It is not yet a schism, but is more than a minor spat...


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      Last edited by Arsenios; 12-01-2018 at 11:13 AM.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Arsenios View Post
      Yes - In the us, most Churches are auto-cephalous under each one's local pastor and council...

      Communion and its withdrawal in the EOC is a very big deal...

      It is not yet a schism, but is more than a minor spat...


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      The Communist Party in China tries to separate Catholics in China from the Holy See. So far it has only been marginally successful but it is a persistent politics-motivated problem. I imagine that the tensions between Russia and Ukraine are producing similar politics-motivated problems but in Orthodoxy (where autocephalousy is linguistic/national in a number of cases) it is not unprecedented.
      Saint Jude, author of the new testament letter.

      He is the patron of impossible causes because the scriptural Letter of St. Jude, which he authored, urges Christians to persevere in difficult times.

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      Isnt Orthodoxy supposed to champion the idea of each significant nationality having its own church while being united in the faith with all other such national jurisdictions? Rather than viewing this development as alarming, why isn't it seen as long overdue?

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