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      But on the subject of racism, What does God have to say about it, and how do you suppose we (as Christians) can stop it? Fwiw, I work with Indigenous peoples in Canada who have suffered many generations of cultural genocide, and are still recovering internally and externally. Many stories I could tell. Hatred spread does indeed consume a (First) Nation, and almost destroyed theirs.
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      Quote Originally Posted by ImaginaryDay2 View Post
      What do you mean by "opposition research"? All I noted is that this is the second thread with the same link and little discussion. The first post led me to the Twitter account with many solicitations to buy, sell, or become involved in different business schemes.
      If I am correct, when on shares a link to a post, that link lands the other person right on the post. That person can read the post, or choose to click on the profile of the poster. Once you reach the profile all the post that the original poster has made become viewable. However, the person that click on the original link made the choice of arriving to the profile.

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      Ok, understood. I've posted here on the topic. Shall we discuss?
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      Quote Originally Posted by ImaginaryDay2 View Post
      But on the subject of racism, What does God have to say about it, and how do you suppose we (as Christians) can stop it? Fwiw, I work with Indigenous peoples in Canada who have suffered many generations of cultural genocide, and are still recovering internally and externally. Many stories I could tell. Hatred spread does indeed consume a (First) Nation, and almost destroyed theirs.
      Hence it is against God and He does not want racism to go on.

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      Quote Originally Posted by ImaginaryDay2 View Post
      But on the subject of racism, What does God have to say about it, and how do you suppose we (as Christians) can stop it? Fwiw, I work with Indigenous peoples in Canada who have suffered many generations of cultural genocide, and are still recovering internally and externally. Many stories I could tell. Hatred spread does indeed consume a (First) Nation, and almost destroyed theirs.
      We can stop it by acknowledging that racism is alive and kicking, by rejecting it as Christians, by speaking against it, by making sure that those affected are ministered to.

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      The acknowledgement of it is huge - especially with Indigenous peoples here. Having a mind open enough to listen to stories and experiences goes a long way. A person may not be trusted for a while, and never completely, but that willingness to listen goes a long way. The work I do is with people and communities who are experiencing substance misuse (i.e. "addictions", although the term is going out of favor), and partnering with local reserves to work through those issues. One mis-step can destroy a whole relationship. We're counted on to keep our word when we say we will do something and showing ourselves trustworthy

      And it's not just with those experiencing the "problems" but with the communities as well. One band recently hired a community nurse, and our team went for her welcome dinner. We could have just showed up and taken a seat, but the better thing was to offer hour help in the kitchen (which they accepted ), make the salad and carve the meat. That opened the door to speaking with the community members there and getting input from them on how we can best serve them. So a lot of good came from something that, for anyone else, may have just been a free meal courtesy of the band. And they insisted we take left-overs!
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      Quote Originally Posted by ImaginaryDay2 View Post
      The acknowledgement of it is huge - especially with Indigenous peoples here. Having a mind open enough to listen to stories and experiences goes a long way. A person may not be trusted for a while, and never completely, but that willingness to listen goes a long way. The work I do is with people and communities who are experiencing substance misuse (i.e. "addictions", although the term is going out of favor), and partnering with local reserves to work through those issues. One mis-step can destroy a whole relationship. We're counted on to keep our word when we say we will do something and showing ourselves trustworthy

      And it's not just with those experiencing the "problems" but with the communities as well. One band recently hired a community nurse, and our team went for her welcome dinner. We could have just showed up and taken a seat, but the better thing was to offer hour help in the kitchen (which they accepted ), make the salad and carve the meat. That opened the door to speaking with the community members there and getting input from them on how we can best serve them. So a lot of good came from something that, for anyone else, may have just been a free meal courtesy of the band. And they insisted we take left-overs!
      Also because that town is still very much a cowboy and indian town still (I used to live there) they are very much the majority even tho their land is being misused by themselves nevertheless the rec that we see today is based on much of that.
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      Just to throw a wrench into things....


      I totally "get" the point of this thread.... and I doubt 99.99% of the people disagree with it. A good reminder, however!

      But I think it kind of depends on how you define "Hate."

      If "hate" is the opposite of love, then absolutely. We are called to love even as God first loved us.

      But if "hate" is defined as "disapproval" then I think it can play a legit role. Jesus often condemned people, actions and views.... remember what Jesus did in the Temple as he saw what was going on? Was that approval? If your teen daughter is a prostitute... if you teen son is selling drugs.... is approval a good thing? Maybe a little "meanness" is a good thing? Seems to me one can LOVE and also DISAPPROVE (they are not at all mutually exclusive.... in fact, sometimes love DEMANDS disapproval).

      I think we as a modern society have gone a bit too far with all this.... making "tolerance" almost a religion.... so that if something wrong is happening, we have to smile and approve and say, "now, isn't that wonderful?" Here's the problem, IMO: "HATE" has come to mean, "anything anyone says or does that I don't agree with." Or even worse, "Anything a Christian or Republican does or thinks should be done." Truth... right.... love... it's all being displaced by everything being "hate" if one doesn't like it.



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      Hate is not the opposite of love. Indifference is. That's why many in AA come with the story that their family didn't hate them when they walked in the door (unless abuse was present) they just looked, saw them walk in and turned back to whatever they were doing.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Resources View Post
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      What Hate?
      All ive seen are locust consuming a nation?
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