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    Christian Theology - Thread: Jesus Christ, died for all

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      Jesus Christ, died for all

      The Lord, Jesus Christ, died for all, yet not all receive the benefit of His death, his death benefits only those to whom the merit of Christ's passion is communicated.
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      Quote Originally Posted by MoreCoffee View Post
      The Lord, Jesus Christ, died for all, yet not all receive the benefit of His death, his death benefits only those to whom the merit of Christ's passion is communicated.
      John 17:9-10
      [9]“My prayer is not for the world, but for those you have given me, because they belong to you.
      [10]All who are mine belong to you, and you have given them to me, so they bring me glory.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
      John 17:9-10
      [9]“My prayer is not for the world, but for those you have given me, because they belong to you.
      [10]All who are mine belong to you, and you have given them to me, so they bring me glory.
      Is the fragment from John 17 relevant in some way?
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      Quote Originally Posted by MoreCoffee View Post
      Is the fragment from John 17 relevant in some way?
      Read all of John 17. Jesus only addresses those whom the Father has given him, never the whole world.
      Your claim is that Jesus spilled His blood in vain.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MoreCoffee View Post
      The Lord, Jesus Christ, died for all, yet not all receive the benefit of His death, his death benefits only those to whom the merit of Christ's passion is communicated.

      Here is the PROTESTANT view which your denomination repudiates and condemns:

      In narrow justification (the issue of the attaining of faith, spiritual life and the Holy Spirit - thus a changed relationship with God, being a Christian and child of God), PROTESTANTS proclaim (as one united position) Sola Gratia - Solus Christus - Sola Fide. All this happens purely as a result of God's mercy, without any merit in self and without dead self achieving it.... and because of Jesus Christ who alone is THE SAVIOR via His incarnation/life, death and resurrection... which is apprehended via the divine gift of faith (trust, reliance). John 3:16. The PROTESTANT position rejects that each dead self saves self by his own good works thus making God, Christ, the Cross irrelevant.... Protestants reject that Jesus saves no one and is not the Savior at all but rather, instead of that, in lieu of that, is merely a HELPER or POSSIBILITY MAKER but that each dead self saves self by the works of self.

      Most PROTESTANTS (some Calvinists disagreeing) hold that Sola Gratia applies to all.... and that Solus Christus applies to all... but Sola Fide does not, not every 7.4 billion people currently on Earth have faith. Thus, PROTESTANTS reject universalism (that all are justified irrespective of faith). This is the third aspect of Justification which the RCC repudiates and condemns.



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      We are justified by works - just not our own.

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      God bless you too, Josiah.

      My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world. And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments. Whoever says "I know him" but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him, but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may know that we are in him: whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked. 1 John 2:1-6
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      Quote Originally Posted by MoreCoffee View Post
      God bless you too, Josiah.

      My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world. And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments. Whoever says "I know him" but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him, but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may know that we are in him: whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked. 1 John 2:1-6

      God bless you, too, MC.

      Thank you for that Protestant affirmation.
      We are justified by works - just not our own.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Josiah View Post
      God bless you, too, MC.

      Thank you for that Protestant affirmation.
      Praise God that Protestants (at least some of them) affirm the gospel truths taught by saint John the theologian.
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      Quote Originally Posted by MoreCoffee View Post
      Is the fragment from John 17 relevant in some way?
      Not to a Roman Catholic.

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      Quote Originally Posted by atpollard View Post
      Not to a Roman Catholic.
      How so?

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