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    Ethics & Debate Center - Thread: Changed Morality in the Catholic Church

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      Yup but God doesnt change and He is who we are to follow, not a denomination or what we think
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      Well, what does that mean; "God doesn't change"? That is true, for sure, but we don't become without a moral compass, or without a road-map to guide us (whether the word, tradition, or both). Our understanding of these can, and do, change.
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      Quote Originally Posted by ImaginaryDay2 View Post
      Well, a denomination can't really "change" morality (imo). It can give its official stance on a subject, such as here, but moral laws (or one's "moral compass" if you will) are formed and developed over time. Individuals (and, perhaps, churches) can, and do, change opinion on topics of grave matters like this. And I'm not sure that this particular church will not have more to say in the future, and change its doctrine accordingly.
      Some denominations supported slavery in the 19th century, some supported segregation in the 20th century, most changed their teaching as time moved on and moral sensibilities became more acute. The death penalty is a case in point. Once it was far too costly and hence unthinkable for a state to keep murderers in prison for life and nobody really had much of an idea about how to rehabilitate anybody but now that is not so. Changes in practical moral applications of biblical teaching is to be expected when changes in society and technology as well as human wisdom occur.
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      Quote Originally Posted by ImaginaryDay2 View Post
      Well, what does that mean; "God doesn't change"? That is true, for sure, but we don't become without a moral compass, or without a road-map to guide us (whether the word, tradition, or both). Our understanding of these can, and do, change.
      God does not change, but that does not mean that "the church that never changes " doesn't change its beliefs.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MoreCoffee View Post
      Some denominations supported slavery in the 19th century, some supported segregation in the 20th century, most changed their teaching as time moved on and moral sensibilities became more acute. The death penalty is a case in point. Once it was far too costly and hence unthinkable for a state to keep murderers in prison for life and nobody really had much of an idea about how to rehabilitate anybody but now that is not so. Changes in practical moral applications of biblical teaching is to be expected when changes in society and technology as well as human wisdom occur.

      The new morality of the RCC is that it is WRONG. Not that things have changed and it's no longer appropriate (that might have been the REJECTED, FORMER morality of the RCC but not the new one, according to you.).
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      Quote Originally Posted by Josiah View Post
      The new morality of the RCC is that it is WRONG. Not that things have changed and it's no longer appropriate (that might have been the REJECTED, FORMER morality of the RCC but not the new one, according to you.).
      Brother Josiah, it seems that you read the CCC with an eye to find fault. With that as an approach fault will always be found. The same approach reads holy scripture to find fault and always finds it, some practise it with what they call the apocrypha and some practise it with all scripture. The former are sometimes Christians the latter are usually atheists. But the approach is the same. Reading to find fault. It is no good brother Josiah to read that way. It will not give information and can rob one of wisdom.
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      Quote Originally Posted by MoreCoffee View Post
      Brother Josiah, it seems that you read the CCC with an eye to find fault. With that as an approach fault will always be found. The same approach reads holy scripture to find fault and always finds it, some practise it with what they call the apocrypha and some practise it with all scripture. The former are sometimes Christians the latter are usually atheists. But the approach is the same. Reading to find fault. It is no good brother Josiah to read that way. It will not give information and can rob one of wisdom.

      No. I just read the words you said are the NEW morality of the RCC. It says that capitol punishment is wrong.

      You gave the OLD rejected morality (which I was able to confirm), which indicates that the death penalty is no longer the best approach (which I very much agree with) but NOT that it's morally wrong. I agree with the old, rejected morality and not with the new one - in part because it makes God sinful.
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      This particular change is just a reflection of the Marxist views of the current Pope, isn't it? If so, it will probably be changed back in the future along with a number of other teachings.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Albion View Post
      This particular change is just a reflection of the Marxist views of the current Pope, isn't it? If so, it will probably be changed back in the future along with a number of other teachings.


      Good joke. You ought to send it in to Stephen Colbert for his monologue.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MoreCoffee View Post
      Good joke. You ought to send it in to Stephen Colbert for his monologue.
      Wouldn't it be encouraging if it were a joke instead of the sad truth that it is??

      Or is it actually possible that you don't know much of the sordid history of this guy? Oh sure...you heard that he was a bishop (obviously), a Jesuit, a fan of Francis of Assisi, and was a "community organizer " *wink wink* but not much more than that??

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