Why should Christians support Israel?

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[Rev 7:4-8 NLT] 4 And I heard how many were marked with the seal of God--144,000 were sealed from all the tribes of Israel: 5 from Judah 12,000 from Reuben 12,000 from Gad 12,000 6 from Asher 12,000 from Naphtali 12,000 from Manasseh 12,000 7 from Simeon 12,000 from Levi 12,000 from Issachar 12,000 8 from Zebulun 12,000 from Joseph 12,000 from Benjamin 12,000

Specific tribes suggest BOTH the ancestry and the Israel of God (Jewish followers of Jesus).
There are indeed elect whose lineage is traced directly back to Israel. Hopefully it will be more than 144,000 because that is an awfully small number.
 

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[Rev 7:4-8 NLT] 4 And I heard how many were marked with the seal of God--144,000 were sealed from all the tribes of Israel: 5 from Judah 12,000 from Reuben 12,000 from Gad 12,000 6 from Asher 12,000 from Naphtali 12,000 from Manasseh 12,000 7 from Simeon 12,000 from Levi 12,000 from Issachar 12,000 8 from Zebulun 12,000 from Joseph 12,000 from Benjamin 12,000

Specific tribes suggest BOTH the ancestry and the Israel of God (Jewish followers of Jesus).
Notice the tribe of Dan is not included
 

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Because it is clear that God gave the Promise land to the Jews.

Not all Jews accept that Jesus is the Christ...they reject the Savior and damn themselves. Do you still think we should support a country where there are people who reject the Savior (not all but many).
 

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Because it is clear that God gave the Promise land to the Jews.

Isn't Jesus the seed who receives the promise?

Galatians 3:15-29 15 Brothers (I speak according to man), if a man"s testament has been confirmed, no one would reject it or add to it. 16 The promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. He did not say, "and to descendents," as if to many, but instead, as if to one, he said, "and to your offspring," who is Christ. 17 But I say this: the testament confirmed by God, which, after four hundred and thirty years became the Law, does not nullify, so as to make the promise empty. 18 For if the inheritance is of the law, then it is no longer of the promise. But God bestowed it to Abraham through the promise. 19 Why, then, was there a law? It was established because of transgressions, until the offspring would arrive, to whom he made the promise, ordained by Angels through the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator is not of one, yet God is one. 21 So then, was the law contrary to the promises of God? Let it not be so! For if a law had been given, which was able to give life, truly justice would be of the law. 22 But Scripture has enclosed everything under sin, so that the promise, by the faith of Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe. 23 But before the faith arrived, we were preserved by being enclosed under the law, unto that faith which was to be revealed. 24 And so the law was our guardian in Christ, in order that we might be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has arrived, we are no longer under a guardian. 26 For you are all sons of God, through the faith which is in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized in Christ have become clothed with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek; there is neither servant nor free; there is neither male nor female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ"s, then are you the offspring of Abraham, heirs according to the promise.
 
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Not all Jews accept that Jesus is the Christ...they reject the Savior and damn themselves. Do you still think we should support a country where there are people who reject the Savior (not all but many).

Yes, they have never all accepted him. Not in the Old or New Testament. God's promises still remain
 

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Yes, they have never all accepted him. Not in the Old or New Testament. God's promises still remain

God's promise remains for those who have faith in the Savior. Those who reject will be damned. Within the country of Israel there are those who reject. So shouldn't we as Christians support every country since there are believers in every country as well as those who reject...just like Israel?
 

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God's promise remains for those who have faith in the Savior. Those who reject will be damned. Within the country of Israel there are those who reject. So shouldn't we as Christians support every country since there are believers in every country as well as those who reject...just like Israel?
Are they Gods chosen people?
 

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Are they Gods chosen people?
Upholding the law at the time was necessary and described as a schoolmaster, grace replaces that old system of law and God chooses his "Elect".
Galatians 3:15-29 tells us the promised seed is Jesus Christ, all who believe in him shall be saved.
God will still deal with the Jews after the rapture during the tribulation, after all they have always loved God (Jehova) but they stumbled about then and even now. They still adhere to the old testament law and covenant but reject all of the NT and so they are ignorant to Gods decision to sacrifice his only Son to die for their sins.
They deny it completely, the rejection from Israel has once again become a harlot, God will deal with them during the great tribulation.
I find nothing wrong with protecting Israel from it's surrounding enemies, but this was never a matter of concern for lets say George Washington... America occupies the middle east strictly for it's resources, it may be part of the blessing package because we do need oil.
The "Elect" however are Gods chosen and is not exclusive to the nation of Israel but includes gentiles, that's the big difference.
Their are some radicals that believe Americans are the Edomites and are not redeemable at all save the nation of Israel :/
 

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Upholding the law at the time was necessary and described as a schoolmaster, grace replaces that old system of law and God chooses his "Elect".
Galatians 3:15-29 tells us the promised seed is Jesus Christ, all who believe in him shall be saved.
God will still deal with the Jews after the rapture during the tribulation, after all they have always loved God (Jehova) but they stumbled about then and even now. They still adhere to the old testament law and covenant but reject all of the NT and so they are ignorant to Gods decision to sacrifice his only Son to die for their sins.
They deny it completely, the rejection from Israel has once again become a harlot, God will deal with them during the great tribulation.
I find nothing wrong with protecting Israel from it's surrounding enemies, but this was never a matter of concern for lets say George Washington... America occupies the middle east strictly for it's resources, it may be part of the blessing package because we do need oil.
The "Elect" however are Gods chosen and is not exclusive to the nation of Israel but includes gentiles, that's the big difference.
Their are some radicals that believe Americans are the Edomites and are not redeemable at all save the nation of Israel :/
So God changed? I think not, they are still His people. Will many go to hell for unbelief, yes but it doesnt change the fact that loves them. They are special to Him and have been throughout history even when God brought judgement on them He loved them and they were still His people. What He did with the Jews is a picture of what God will do to cleanse His church for we are no better than they were. Yes gentiles are grafted in and we are Gods chosen as well but we did not replace Israel, we are grafted in
 

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So God changed? I think not, they are still His people. Will many go to hell for unbelief, yes but it doesnt change the fact that loves them. They are special to Him and have been throughout history even when God brought judgement on them He loved them and they were still His people. What He did with the Jews is a picture of what God will do to cleanse His church for we are no better than they were. Yes gentiles are grafted in and we are Gods chosen as well but we did not replace Israel, we are grafted in
I can agree with that Psalms, "grafted in".
The Jews had many prophecies to prepare them for the coming of the messiah so no I don't believe God changed... I really don't understand how they stay unconvinced that he is the Messiah when he completed all the prophecies concerning him. The Jew definitely believe Jesus was a real person but that he wasn't the one, supposedly they are still on the look out for a militant figure that brings world peace.
When Jesus comes again I imagine that they will believe that he is that he "loved" them.
 

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I can agree with that Psalms, "grafted in".
The Jews had many prophecies to prepare them for the coming of the messiah so no I don't believe God changed... I really don't understand how they stay unconvinced that he is the Messiah when he completed all the prophecies concerning him. The Jew definitely believe Jesus was a real person but that he wasn't the one, supposedly they are still on the look out for a militant figure that brings world peace.
When Jesus comes again I imagine that they will believe that he is that he "loved" them.
Yes they will, all the earth will during the millenial for He will rule and reign
 

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Are they Gods chosen people?

Do you think that the Jews today are still God's chosen people? Those who reject Him and His forgiveness through the Savior? Those who believe are His people. God loved the world enough to die on the cross, but not everyone believes in Him meaning they won't have salvation.
 

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Yes, they have never all accepted him. Not in the Old or New Testament. God's promises still remain
The land is designated and outlined by God to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Israel) as a place for those of the promise. Paul tells us that not all Israel is Israel, but those of the promise are Israel...including those who are grafted into the promise.
The promise is that God will save whom He wills by giving them the gift of faith...that same gift of faith He gave to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Israel).
God spewed the people out of the land because of their rebellion. God will call all people of the promise back to the land He has designated for them. Those who are not the chosen people of the promise will be thrown off the land. (Not all Israel is Israel.)
 
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