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    Denomination & Faith Movement Discussions - Thread: Helping families

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      Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
      Caring for orphans and widows is caring for the family. There is clear teaching.
      https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.got...nd-widows.html
      Nowhere do I say "do not help anyone except widows and orphans."
      No, I wasn't questioning if it was appropriate to care for widows or orphans. Yes, it is a clear teaching. I don't need a link to understand that. I've read the Bible before.

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      I know this thread isn't about widows and orphans but it got me looking through scripture concerning it. I never paid much attention to the widow part before but in 1 Timothy there are guidelines as to what to do and not do to help the widow:

      1 Timothy 5:4-11 But if a widow has children or grandchildren, these should learn first of all to put their religion into practice by caring for their own family and so repaying their parents and grandparents, for this is pleasing to God. 5 The widow who is really in need and left all alone puts her hope in God and continues night and day to pray and to ask God for help. 6 But the widow who lives for pleasure is dead even while she lives. 7 Give the people these instructions, so that no one may be open to blame. 8 Anyone who does not provide for their relatives, and especially for their own household, has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

      9 No widow may be put on the list of widows unless she is over sixty, has been faithful to her husband, 10 and is well known for her good deeds, such as bringing up children, showing hospitality, washing the feet of the Lord’s people, helping those in trouble and devoting herself to all kinds of good deeds.

      11 As for younger widows, do not put them on such a list. For when their sensual desires overcome their dedication to Christ, they want to marry.


      So it seems that although we should care for the widows God wants families to help themselves first which seems appropriate.
      "Christianity does not require more work but more trust." Pr. Jonathan Fisk
      "Bearing fruit does not make you a branch. A branch is a branch because it grows from the vine." Pr. Jonathan Fisk
      "A Christian's life is not defined by what the Christian does. It is defined by Christ and what He has done for us." Pr. Rolf David Preus

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      Quote Originally Posted by Lämmchen View Post
      I know this thread isn't about widows and orphans but it got me looking through scripture concerning it. I never paid much attention to the widow part before but in 1 Timothy there are guidelines as to what to do and not do to help the widow:

      1 Timothy 5:4-11 But if a widow has children or grandchildren, these should learn first of all to put their religion into practice by caring for their own family and so repaying their parents and grandparents, for this is pleasing to God. 5 The widow who is really in need and left all alone puts her hope in God and continues night and day to pray and to ask God for help. 6 But the widow who lives for pleasure is dead even while she lives. 7 Give the people these instructions, so that no one may be open to blame. 8 Anyone who does not provide for their relatives, and especially for their own household, has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

      9 No widow may be put on the list of widows unless she is over sixty, has been faithful to her husband, 10 and is well known for her good deeds, such as bringing up children, showing hospitality, washing the feet of the Lord’s people, helping those in trouble and devoting herself to all kinds of good deeds.

      11 As for younger widows, do not put them on such a list. For when their sensual desires overcome their dedication to Christ, they want to marry.


      So it seems that although we should care for the widows God wants families to help themselves first which seems appropriate.
      I think verse 8 especially shows you just how serious it is when someone doesn't take care of those in their own household.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Lämmchen View Post
      I know this thread isn't about widows and orphans but it got me looking through scripture concerning it. I never paid much attention to the widow part before but in 1 Timothy there are guidelines as to what to do and not do to help the widow:

      1 Timothy 5:4-11 But if a widow has children or grandchildren, these should learn first of all to put their religion into practice by caring for their own family and so repaying their parents and grandparents, for this is pleasing to God. 5 The widow who is really in need and left all alone puts her hope in God and continues night and day to pray and to ask God for help. 6 But the widow who lives for pleasure is dead even while she lives. 7 Give the people these instructions, so that no one may be open to blame. 8 Anyone who does not provide for their relatives, and especially for their own household, has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

      9 No widow may be put on the list of widows unless she is over sixty, has been faithful to her husband, 10 and is well known for her good deeds, such as bringing up children, showing hospitality, washing the feet of the Lord’s people, helping those in trouble and devoting herself to all kinds of good deeds.

      11 As for younger widows, do not put them on such a list. For when their sensual desires overcome their dedication to Christ, they want to marry.


      So it seems that although we should care for the widows God wants families to help themselves first which seems appropriate.
      Correct. The family is first up. If that family is not Christian and the Godly widow has no assistance, the church needs to step up. But, we don't often do that as a whole. (I am sure there are some isolated churches doing a good job.)

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      Quote Originally Posted by jsimms435 View Post
      From what I have seen as a counselor, many families are going through a lot of pain and problems, separation, marital infidelity and problems with children. It seems the church is strangely silent in this area and not helping as much as they could. What could the church do differently to help families stay together and be healthy?
      Jesus said families would be separated on account of him and I can kinda see this happening in the families where you got the ones who are turning away from God a little and their sin consumes the family and tears it to pieces. Isn't the cure to have more Jesus and more Gospel then?
      If you want to rile people up then go to a Christian site and give God ALL the glory for your salvation.

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