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    Christian Theology - Thread: Be ye goats or sheep?

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      Be ye goats or sheep?

      Jesus separates the believers from the non believing and compares them to sheep and goats respectively in Matthew 25:31-46. It might lead some individuals to think Jesus makes them a sheep because of their works but surprise surpise he goes on to tell them that the righteous asked him Lord Lord when did we do those things? You see friends, the righteous did not strive to do works to gain entry into heaven because a goat cannot make himself into a sheep. Without faith a goat is a goat.

      Galatians 3:25-27 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian. So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.

      A sheep has the Lord God as his father and the goats have Satan as their father so which do you have? It's either or and not both because you cannot be a shoat or a gheep or waiver back and forth from one day to the next. Do you believe in God as your Father and if you do then you are a sheep and hear his voice and he will leave the other 99 to rescue you when you stray.

      Who is your father then dear friends is it God or Satan? If you answer God then surely you will have eternal life because you are a sheep because God will not let anything pluck his sheep from his hand.

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      The scriptures tell us that the elect were chosen before the foundation of the world. Thus the sheep and goats have been known to God from the beginning.
      You ask whether we are sheep or goats and you correctly state that the delineation is not works. The delineation is whether God has graciously adopted us or not.
      How will God reveal his choice? By giving us the gift of faith that perseveres.

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      Quote Originally Posted by TangledWeb View Post
      Who is your father then dear friends is it God or Satan.
      Great thread! This part really stands out because it shows that with God we ARE secure
      "Christianity does not require more work but more trust." Pr. Jonathan Fisk
      "Bearing fruit does not make you a branch. A branch is a branch because it grows from the vine." Pr. Jonathan Fisk
      "A Christian's life is not defined by what the Christian does. It is defined by Christ and what He has done for us." Pr. Rolf David Preus

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      Another thing that came to me this morning...on that last day Jesus doesn't bring up the sins of the believers. That's because he atoned for them at the cross and we have received that forgiveness by grace through faith. The sins of the unbelievers ARE mentioned. They don't have faith. Judgment appears as if God looks at works but judgment is based on whether or not we have faith. Faith in the Savior specifically, not our works.
      "Christianity does not require more work but more trust." Pr. Jonathan Fisk
      "Bearing fruit does not make you a branch. A branch is a branch because it grows from the vine." Pr. Jonathan Fisk
      "A Christian's life is not defined by what the Christian does. It is defined by Christ and what He has done for us." Pr. Rolf David Preus

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      Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
      The scriptures tell us that the elect were chosen before the foundation of the world. Thus the sheep and goats have been known to God from the beginning.
      You ask whether we are sheep or goats and you correctly state that the delineation is not works. The delineation is whether God has graciously adopted us or not.
      How will God reveal his choice? By giving us the gift of faith that perseveres.
      Amen to that. God is in control and a sheep should not be worried or concerned that he might not make it to heaven.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Lämmchen View Post
      Another thing that came to me this morning...on that last day Jesus doesn't bring up the sins of the believers. That's because he atoned for them at the cross and we have received that forgiveness by grace through faith. The sins of the unbelievers ARE mentioned. They don't have faith. Judgment appears as if God looks at works but judgment is based on whether or not we have faith. Faith in the Savior specifically, not our works.
      The sins of the believers are often a concern to them so they try to make up for it by doing good works and that is not going to sway God because he has forgotten their sin and their works to gain heaven won't do the trick. The works of the believers in the parable were a complete surprise to them upon Jesus' mentioning it to them and our works will also be a surprise to us who believe.

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      In Asia and Africa goats and sheep look very similar but their behavior is a clear indicator to the shepherd as to which is which, for the goats are not followers like the sheep are. Separating goats and sheep is an easy task for the shepherd who knows his flock.

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      A sheep is one who is guided by their Shepard. They do not fight against being corralled in by HIS will and guidance, or by the pull of HIS Crook. A goat on the other hand will go against all direction, is stiff-necked, hardheaded, and will eat through it's inclosure in defiance all while devouring up all else without any discretion. I'm following the guidance of the Shepard a sheep would only be hearing and believing that the direction the Crook leads them is for their benefit as being of or belonging to the Good Shepard. A goat may be at risk of being lost; not by the Shepard but because said goat never did believe in the guidance of the Messiah or trusted in the directing of HIS Crook.

      Ultimately works are simply a byproduct of faith to the glorification of GOD for the sake of HIS creation in my opinion.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Wilhemena View Post
      In Asia and Africa goats and sheep look very similar but their behavior is a clear indicator to the shepherd as to which is which, for the goats are not followers like the sheep are. Separating goats and sheep is an easy task for the shepherd who knows his flock.
      The Bible makes it easier. God's sheep hear his voice. The others hear the robbers voice and think it's God.

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      I just wanna be a sheep baa ba ba baa. That's what this thread reminded me of and now it's ear worm for me and sorry if it's ear worm for you to but now on to the topic, yeah I'm a sheep and can't think of myself as any other because God adopted me as his own and he wouldn't lie to me or lead me astray. It's men who lead others astray when they aren't sure of what God can do for them and don't trust in him like they should so they think maybe theyre goats and not sure if they're sheep but hey, which pasture would they like to be in to graze anyway?
      If you want to rile people up then go to a Christian site and give God ALL the glory for your salvation.

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