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    World Religion & Speculative Theology - Thread: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in.

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      I was a stranger, and ye took me not in.

      While having lunch in a local bakery "pie shop" I struck up a conversation with two elderly ladies sitting at the table next to mine. They'd been chatting about women wearing Burkas. Now, it is worth noticing that very few women wear a Burka in Australia, I've seen only one in all the years I have lived here. But the ladies were complaining about "foreigners" wearing such things. Oddly enough one of the two ladies was born in England and had a discernible English accent so I silently wondered "foreigners? isn't that what one of you is?". Anyway, in the conversation we had the ladies continued with their theme, one saying that "They ought to go home, them Muslims". I replied that a good number of them were born in Australia so "home" was right here. With some effort and careful choice of words the conversation was steered towards the gospel and we chatted a little about God and Jesus Christ and church life. That improved the conversation and the ladies were visibly happier on the new topic. The ladies self-identified as Christians, though they do not go to church.

      In retrospect I wondered to myself if a great many people in their age group shared their fears and dislikes. And I got to wondering how the Lord Jesus Christ, his mother Blessed Mary, and his father saint Joseph would have been perceived by the ladies. They'd be Arab looking people, a "foreign family". I was a stranger, and ye took me not in.
      Pope Gregory I was well known for his alms to the poor, and he gave quite generously of the riches donated to the Church by the wealthy people of Rome. Everything from money to land was given to the poor in some fashion. He made clear to his subordinates that their duty was to relieve the distress faced by the poor.

      He ordered his clergy to go out into the streets to find and care for the poor in person.

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      What did Jesus look like?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Lämmchen View Post
      What did Jesus look like?
      Like a Semite. Why do you ask?
      Pope Gregory I was well known for his alms to the poor, and he gave quite generously of the riches donated to the Church by the wealthy people of Rome. Everything from money to land was given to the poor in some fashion. He made clear to his subordinates that their duty was to relieve the distress faced by the poor.

      He ordered his clergy to go out into the streets to find and care for the poor in person.

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      Only God can answer that but going by where He was born and to who and allowing that the Jewish were Gods people we can guess at certain things
      Isaiah 40:31

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      Quote Originally Posted by MoreCoffee View Post
      While having lunch in a local bakery "pie shop" I struck up a conversation with two elderly ladies sitting at the table next to mine. They'd been chatting about women wearing Burkas. Now, it is worth noticing that very few women wear a Burka in Australia, I've seen only one in all the years I have lived here. But the ladies were complaining about "foreigners" wearing such things. Oddly enough one of the two ladies was born in England and had a discernible English accent so I silently wondered "foreigners? isn't that what one of you is?". Anyway, in the conversation we had the ladies continued with their theme, one saying that "They ought to go home, them Muslims". I replied that a good number of them were born in Australia so "home" was right here. With some effort and careful choice of words the conversation was steered towards the gospel and we chatted a little about God and Jesus Christ and church life. That improved the conversation and the ladies were visibly happier on the new topic. The ladies self-identified as Christians, though they do not go to church.

      In retrospect I wondered to myself if a great many people in their age group shared their fears and dislikes. And I got to wondering how the Lord Jesus Christ, his mother Blessed Mary, and his father saint Joseph would have been perceived by the ladies. They'd be Arab looking people, a "foreign family". I was a stranger, and ye took me not in.
      Much respect for you MC. It's silly that mankind are such territorial animals in general, racism is a disease of pride and judgment. We don't see each other as brothers and sisters outside of our culture but we should at least greet one another as neighbors and to LOVE your neighbor.
      Jesus could have been any color and what does that matter? Does it change his message? I hope not.

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      Quote Originally Posted by DHoffmann View Post
      Much respect for you MC. It's silly that mankind are such territorial animals in general, racism is a disease of pride and judgment. We don't see each other as brothers and sisters outside of our culture but we should at least greet one another as neighbors and to LOVE your neighbor.
      Jesus could have been any color and what does that matter? Does it change his message? I hope not.
      I knew a chap who was a Calvinist and then started to consider Catholicism and finally decided that his "tribe" was the religion of his teen years - The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I suspect that tribe really does count for a lot with people. But most people may be reluctant to admit it.
      Last edited by MoreCoffee; 07-16-2018 at 03:50 AM.
      Pope Gregory I was well known for his alms to the poor, and he gave quite generously of the riches donated to the Church by the wealthy people of Rome. Everything from money to land was given to the poor in some fashion. He made clear to his subordinates that their duty was to relieve the distress faced by the poor.

      He ordered his clergy to go out into the streets to find and care for the poor in person.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MoreCoffee View Post
      In retrospect I wondered to myself if a great many people in their age group shared their fears and dislikes. And I got to wondering how the Lord Jesus Christ, his mother Blessed Mary, and his father saint Joseph would have been perceived by the ladies. They'd be Arab looking people....
      None of them was an Arab.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Albion View Post
      None of them was an Arab.
      Israelites and Arabs are Semites. Not hard to figure out since the bible spells it out for people. And Israelites looked a lot like Arab people. No biggie is it? It is not as if saying that Israelites looked like Arabs makes them into Muslims or something. Right? It is merely a matter of appearances.

      Pope Gregory I was well known for his alms to the poor, and he gave quite generously of the riches donated to the Church by the wealthy people of Rome. Everything from money to land was given to the poor in some fashion. He made clear to his subordinates that their duty was to relieve the distress faced by the poor.

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      White people are not the only ones who have altered Jesus' appearance to fit their own. Chinese people did it too and Africans too.

      Pope Gregory I was well known for his alms to the poor, and he gave quite generously of the riches donated to the Church by the wealthy people of Rome. Everything from money to land was given to the poor in some fashion. He made clear to his subordinates that their duty was to relieve the distress faced by the poor.

      He ordered his clergy to go out into the streets to find and care for the poor in person.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MoreCoffee View Post
      White people are not the only ones who have altered Jesus' appearance to fit their own. Chinese people did it too and Africans too.
      Being an artist I will tell you that artists tend to draw other people in their own image and that's not always done purposely. Unless the artist is of great magnitude in his skills you will always find parts of his own face when he draws portraits of other people.
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