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    World Religion & Speculative Theology - Thread: Basilica Block Party

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      Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
      Who receives the money?
      Some historic building? We both know that The Church is made up of individuals and not a building.
      Therefore let God alone be the judge of the peoples. There is no proof of people who attended -practising witch craft or homosexuality or orgies for that matter.
      Catholicism is what it is and you will never get to the root, consider that a fact. Now imagine the people as people you never met but know you may not judge them.
      Do I believe the Pope is Gods spokesperson? nope, but does the Pope claim to be a prophet? Who knows and who cares, they are nothing compared to Mohammed or Joseph Smith... hardcore "prophets". Love and let it go.

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      Quote Originally Posted by DHoffmann View Post
      Some historic building? We both know that The Church is made up of individuals and not a building.
      Therefore let God alone be the judge of the peoples. There is no proof of people who attended -practising witch craft or homosexuality or orgies for that matter.
      Catholicism is what it is and you will never get to the root, consider that a fact. Now imagine the people as people you never met but know you may not judge them.
      Do I believe the Pope is Gods spokesperson? nope, but does the Pope claim to be a prophet? Who knows and who cares, they are nothing compared to Mohammed or Joseph Smith... hardcore "prophets". Love and let it go.
      Did God tell the people of Israel to raise money for the temple by supporting paganism?

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      Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
      Did God tell the people of Israel to raise money for the temple by supporting paganism?
      Nope but he did for strong drink

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      I doubt every person who attended the festival was a pagan.
      "Christianity does not require more work but more trust." Pr. Jonathan Fisk
      "Bearing fruit does not make you a branch. A branch is a branch because it grows from the vine." Pr. Jonathan Fisk
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      Post #25 (MoreCoffee):
      Remember Jesus warning: 37 Don’t be a judge of others and you will not be judged; do not condemn and you will not be condemned; forgive and you will be forgiven; 38 give and it will be given to you, and you will receive in your sack good measure, pressed down, full and running over. For the measure you give will be the measure you receive back.

      Just saying.
      This is a frequently used cop-out within the halls of Christendom. It was reiterated in Post #35. Whenever a personally important issue or organisation is subjected to unwanted but valid light, the throwing of this card (which has the deceptive appearance of being a trump card) is on the cards. In fact it is a hallmark within the halls of Christendom.

      The normal effectiveness of the “judge not lest ye be judged” card, is based on the deliberate confusing of two entirely different meanings of the word “judge”.

      Apart from its judicial sense, the word “judge” has two very distinct meanings:
      - to look down on someone or something judgmentally;
      - to clinically discern the rights and wrongs of a particular situation or practice.

      It is the former that Jesus was speaking against.

      It is the latter that has been applied to the practice of promoting activities that can lead to drunkenness (etc.) in order to bolster funds of a religious nature.

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      So now another dishonest tactic (the “judge not lest ye be judged” deflection) has been unveiled for the Reader’s future awareness.

      And as usual, the use of the technique emphasises the truth of what it is being used to defend against.

      Lämmchen had it right in Post #34.


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      Quote Originally Posted by Pedrito View Post
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      Post #25 (MoreCoffee):


      This is a frequently used cop-out within the halls of Christendom. It was reiterated in Post #35. Whenever a personally important issue or organisation is subjected to unwanted but valid light, the throwing of this card (which has the deceptive appearance of being a trump card) is on the cards. In fact it is a hallmark within the halls of Christendom.

      The normal effectiveness of the “judge not lest ye be judged” card, is based on the deliberate confusing of two entirely different meanings of the word “judge”.

      Apart from its judicial sense, the word “judge” has two very distinct meanings:
      - to look down on someone or something judgmentally;
      - to clinically discern the rights and wrongs of a particular situation or practice.

      It is the former that Jesus was speaking against.

      It is the latter that has been applied to the practice of promoting activities that can lead to drunkenness (etc.) in order to bolster funds of a religious nature.

      ================================================== ============================================

      So now another dishonest tactic (the “judge not lest ye be judged” deflection) has been unveiled for the Reader’s future awareness.

      And as usual, the use of the technique emphasises the truth of what it is being used to defend against.

      Lämmchen had it right in Post #34.


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      I've just come upon this thread and begun reading from the top. While I do not agree with all the accusations, some of the alibis are classic. Lets see--the church has nothing to do with the event because it merely makes the space it controls available to the organizers of the event. (?!). It profits from the event, but it has no connection to the event (?!). Perhaps the most fascinating of all is the Wikipedia article that was referred to in one post. According to that article, the church HOSTS the event but has NO INVOLVEMENT other than that it runs one booth where you can have pictures taken with a paper cutout of the Pope. (??!!)

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      I read some more articles about this event. As MC stated, the event is mainly for the preservation of the building. But that's the building the Catholic congregation uses for its worship so in a way the event is for them. They apparently don't give enough money in their weekly offerings to maintain their church building so they have created this event to take care of that for them. A small amount is given for one of the programs that helps people but I don't recall what percentage that is.
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