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    World Religion & Speculative Theology - Thread: Biblical meaning - literal, allegory, or...?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Lämmchen View Post
      What influence do you personally believe then that God had in the forming of the scriptures?
      BY forming do you mean "writing" or do you mean "canonisation" or both or neither?
      Pope Gregory I was well known for his alms to the poor, and he gave quite generously of the riches donated to the Church by the wealthy people of Rome. Everything from money to land was given to the poor in some fashion. He made clear to his subordinates that their duty was to relieve the distress faced by the poor.

      He ordered his clergy to go out into the streets to find and care for the poor in person.

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      Quote Originally Posted by ImaginaryDay2 View Post
      I was intrigued by this post in another thread (re-posted here with permission).



      What are we to do with "literal" biblical interpretation? Does one's perception of what is "literal" change over time (e.g. reading scripture as allegory, or along a continuum instead) when studying biblical text; or does the distinction between literal and allegory become more clear with study? How doe we discern what is "far less" (or "far more") literal?
      The rules of language still apply. When the author is writing historic and narrative language, take it for what he means.
      When the plain sense makes common sense, seek no other sense.
      The style of writing will indicate if it is poetic and is meant as imagery. Prophetic language may be mixed with historic narrative and imagery.
      The only place where there is certain use of allegory in scripture is found in Galatians where Paul specifically tells us that he is making an allegory between Hagar and Sarah. Otherwise the vast amount of allegory presented by many scholars is just persons looking for some application outside of the text. Even folks like Luther and Calvin came up with some head shakingly bad allegorical interpretations. They were a product of their culture.

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      Quote Originally Posted by JRT View Post
      I am not convinced that God had anything to do with the forming of scripture. I reply in all honesty.
      Is 2 Timothy 3:16 a lie?
      "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God..."

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      Quote Originally Posted by JRT View Post
      I am not convinced that God had anything to do with the forming of scripture. I reply in all honesty.
      Then explain to all of us prophecies and their fulfillment ! If this is not an act of God then there is no God!
      However we know that God exists and Jesus is the revelation of God! No allegory here!




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      Quote Originally Posted by MoreCoffee View Post
      BY forming do you mean "writing" or do you mean "canonisation" or both or neither?
      Inspiring the Scriptures not “writing “ them.


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      Quote Originally Posted by RichWh1 View Post
      Inspiring the Scriptures not “writing “ them.


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      I'm not too sure that there's a difference. Did you know, and this is a serious question, that the only thing(s) that is (are) inspired is the holy scriptures and "scriptures" means "writings".
      Pope Gregory I was well known for his alms to the poor, and he gave quite generously of the riches donated to the Church by the wealthy people of Rome. Everything from money to land was given to the poor in some fashion. He made clear to his subordinates that their duty was to relieve the distress faced by the poor.

      He ordered his clergy to go out into the streets to find and care for the poor in person.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MoreCoffee View Post
      I'm not too sure that there's a difference. Did you know, and this is a serious question, that the only thing(s) that is (are) inspired is the holy scriptures and "scriptures" means "writings".
      There is a difference. Inspiring others to write is not writing it is inspiring to write.
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      Quote Originally Posted by RichWh1 View Post
      There is a difference. Inspiring others to write is not writing it is inspiring to write.
      In common spoken English "inspired" has a lot of meanings ranging from something God inspires to a clever idea that may even be wholly profane.
      Pope Gregory I was well known for his alms to the poor, and he gave quite generously of the riches donated to the Church by the wealthy people of Rome. Everything from money to land was given to the poor in some fashion. He made clear to his subordinates that their duty was to relieve the distress faced by the poor.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MoreCoffee View Post
      In common spoken English "inspired" has a lot of meanings ranging from something God inspires to a clever idea that may even be wholly profane.
      The word used in Scripture for inspired is theopneusto or God breathed. Nothing profane here. I hope
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      Quote Originally Posted by RichWh1 View Post
      The word used in Scripture for inspired is theopneusto or God breathed. Nothing profane here. I hope
      You're right. Nothing profane in it. It is used only once in the holy scriptures. It isn't used outside of the holy scriptures as far as I've been able to discover. It's possible that saint Paul invented the word.
      Pope Gregory I was well known for his alms to the poor, and he gave quite generously of the riches donated to the Church by the wealthy people of Rome. Everything from money to land was given to the poor in some fashion. He made clear to his subordinates that their duty was to relieve the distress faced by the poor.

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