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      If a business owner doesn't have your values do you visit their establishment?

      Maybe my title question came out wrong...this stems from the thread about the restaurant asking Sarah Sanders to leave.

      I remember when a business gave money to Planned Parenthood that a lot of Baptists churches rallied together to encourage their members to boycott that business.

      Do you boycott businesses where the owner(s) don't hold the same beliefs or values that you do?
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      Depends, if I know it and it is offensive tom me then I wont frequent that business. It only makes sense, I just wish more church members would support Christian businesses over others especially when it comes to music, many cant make it on what they get and have to give it up
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      Quote Originally Posted by Lämmchen View Post
      Maybe my title question came out wrong...this stems from the thread about the restaurant asking Sarah Sanders to leave.

      I remember when a business gave money to Planned Parenthood that a lot of Baptists churches rallied together to encourage their members to boycott that business.

      Do you boycott businesses where the owner(s) don't hold the same beliefs or values that you do?
      I can't say that I do simply because I don't really know what the beliefs and values of the owners of the shops I buy things from actually are. Say that I see a product on amazon.com that I can just buy with a click of a mouse online. I'll probably just do that without inquiring what the values and beliefs of the executives of the company are.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Lämmchen View Post
      Maybe my title question came out wrong...this stems from the thread about the restaurant asking Sarah Sanders to leave.

      I remember when a business gave money to Planned Parenthood that a lot of Baptists churches rallied together to encourage their members to boycott that business.

      Do you boycott businesses where the owner(s) don't hold the same beliefs or values that you do?
      in most cases, what the owners real values are are not known. I haven't boycotted a business in a long time. i actually can't remember doing that. I remember when a lot of people were boycotting Target, but i didn't do that.
      I'm more likely not to go to some places if I just don't think a christian should be seen there. places like bars or places like that

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      Quote Originally Posted by Lämmchen View Post
      Maybe my title question came out wrong...this stems from the thread about the restaurant asking Sarah Sanders to leave.

      I remember when a business gave money to Planned Parenthood that a lot of Baptists churches rallied together to encourage their members to boycott that business.

      Do you boycott businesses where the owner(s) don't hold the same beliefs or values that you do?
      Different values usually don't trouble me. My views are quite unusual in many ways. If I find the stance of a business objectionable the chances are I won't go there. If a company has a specific policy I find disagreeable I may boycott the store.

      In the UK it's pretty much illegal to carry anything that might be useful for self-defence. In the US I'm thankful that I am allowed to protect myself if it comes to it. Places like Target and the Outback Steakhouse, just to give a couple of examples, that don't want people carrying lawfully owned firearms, are places that I'd typically avoid. I believe that, statistically speaking, the best way to avoid getting shot is not to go into a designated gun free zone and since these places allegedly care for my safety it seems best to just not go there.

      As a general rule if a company doesn't want some aspect of what I am and what I would routinely carry (regardless of whether I'm actually carrying it at the time) in their store that's their call, but they won't get my wallet either.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Lämmchen View Post
      Maybe my title question came out wrong...this stems from the thread about the restaurant asking Sarah Sanders to leave.

      I remember when a business gave money to Planned Parenthood that a lot of Baptists churches rallied together to encourage their members to boycott that business.

      Do you boycott businesses where the owner(s) don't hold the same beliefs or values that you do?
      From the other side of this, I am the owner of a small business, its chief stockholder, and chief executive officer... I like to tell people I am so important that I have to make an appointment just to talk to myself... My business card has a prominent cross in the center of it somewhat like this, a crucifix:



      The rest of the business information is kind of an addendum to this image - When a business man looks at this card, he will most logically think I am in the Cross Business... And he won't be far from the Truth...

      As an Orthodox Christian, I cannot help another person commit an evil of any kind... If a person wants me to help them steal a car, or rob a bank, or commit an assault, I will decline... And because Marriage is a Holy Mystery of our Faith, I will not assist anyone wanting to marry their octopus or their same sex partner... Nor will I help an adulterer hook up with someone not his or her spouse... Those are all pretty straight foreward... But I will feed them if they are hungry, and I will clothe them if they are naked, and I will visit them if they are imprisoned... I will shine their shoes and iron their clothes if I become somehow enslaved to them, and serve any need they might have except sin...

      And I thank God that in the United States of America the Supreme Court of this great country has ruled that I do not have to provide the means of sin to people asking my help to commit what this great Faith understands as the desecration of a Holy Mystery of God...

      Having a country that does not help in the establishment of one religion over another does not mean that the secular world can dictate the conscience of those who are of Faith...

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      Quote Originally Posted by Lämmchen View Post
      Maybe my title question came out wrong...this stems from the thread about the restaurant asking Sarah Sanders to leave.

      I remember when a business gave money to Planned Parenthood that a lot of Baptists churches rallied together to encourage their members to boycott that business.

      Do you boycott businesses where the owner(s) don't hold the same beliefs or values that you do?
      Sometimes. But I am much more likely to boycott companies that have tried to punish individuals, often news commentators, by withdrawing advertising from them in dutiful compliance with an Email received from some political extremists telling them to do so.

      In such a case, it is almost as much a matter, with me, of the poor judgment on the part of the company as it is the political issue involved. I have to wonder what other impetuous or thoughtless moves are likely to come from a business that shows this little concern for the customers who did NOT demand that the company answer to some political agenda first and foremost.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Albion View Post
      Sometimes. But I am much more likely to boycott companies that have tried to punish individuals, often news commentators, by withdrawing advertising from them in dutiful compliance with an Email received from some political extremists telling them to do so.

      In such a case, it is almost as much a matter, with me, of the poor judgment on the part of the company as it is the political issue involved. I have to wonder what other impetuous or thoughtless moves are likely to come from a business that shows this little concern for the customers who did NOT demand that the company answer to some political agenda first and foremost.
      Maybe what is needed is for people to contact the businesses that folded like a cheap suit in the face of a bit of activism to let them know they just lost a load of business by being spineless.
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      I think Arsenios made a good point about aiding in sinfulness but I think we need to be a little careful just how far we take things.

      To use a simple example, if I go out and buy some pornography then it's clear that I'm supporting a business that may be legal but isn't something a Christian should be supporting. But at what point can I be considered to be supporting the porn industry? For the sake of an example let's say I go to Joe's Pizza and buy a pizza for dinner. Nothing wrong with that, right? What if Joe (the owner of Joe's Pizza) doesn't pay his taxes or doesn't pay his workers? Am I supporting tax evasion by buying a pizza? What if Joe pays the driver who delivered my pizza and the driver uses his wages to go and buy some pornography? At what point do I cease to have any responsibility for where that money ends up?

      If I know Joe is a tax evader but continue to buy pizza from him, can I be considered complicit? What if I know the driver is a regular purchaser of pornography - can my ongoing purchased from Joe's be considered to be supporting the porn industry on the basis I know the driver will spend some of my pizza budget on porn? Should I decline to tip the driver, knowing he's likely to buy porn with it?
      "Do what thou will shall be the whole of the law" - Aleister Crowley

      "If you love me, obey my commandments" - Jesus Christ

      The Bible comes as a complete package. If we want to pluck verses out of context so make them mean what we want them to mean, if we want to ignore the passages that are inconvenient to our outlook, we should be intellectually honest enough to throw our Bibles in the trash and admit we are following Crowley and not Christ.

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