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    Christian Theology - Thread: Competing ideals and philosophies

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      Competing ideals and philosophies

      I was thinking a bit about devotional books and wondered what folk think about devotions prepared by a denomination or a church in contrast to devotions prepared by individuals. Which do you prefer. Which do you trust. Is this a little bit like the contrast between capitalism and free market economics and centrally planned economics except applied to prayers and songs and poems to inspire personal faith?

      Pope Gregory I was well known for his alms to the poor, and he gave quite generously of the riches donated to the Church by the wealthy people of Rome. Everything from money to land was given to the poor in some fashion. He made clear to his subordinates that their duty was to relieve the distress faced by the poor.

      He ordered his clergy to go out into the streets to find and care for the poor in person.

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      Most of the time I don't use devotions at all, whether they be denominational or otherwise. I simply read my Bible. Most of the devotions I have seen at church that you can use lack much substance.

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      I'm not too huge on devotionals unless it's during the Advent or Lenten season. Then I like to read a variety of them but they're mostly from Lutherans, not the denom, but individuals who belong to the WELS or LCMS denominations.
      "Christianity does not require more work but more trust." Pr. Jonathan Fisk
      "Bearing fruit does not make you a branch. A branch is a branch because it grows from the vine." Pr. Jonathan Fisk
      "A Christian's life is not defined by what the Christian does. It is defined by Christ and what He has done for us." Pr. Rolf David Preus

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      Quote Originally Posted by Lämmchen View Post
      I'm not too huge on devotionals unless it's during the Advent or Lenten season. Then I like to read a variety of them but they're mostly from Lutherans, not the denom, but individuals who belong to the WELS or LCMS denominations.
      I like Catholic Church devotional books. I am not so keen on individually authored ones because some of them are a bit strange. I use The Liturgy of the Hours and an excerpted edition of the liturgy of the hours called Morning and Evening Prayer
      Pope Gregory I was well known for his alms to the poor, and he gave quite generously of the riches donated to the Church by the wealthy people of Rome. Everything from money to land was given to the poor in some fashion. He made clear to his subordinates that their duty was to relieve the distress faced by the poor.

      He ordered his clergy to go out into the streets to find and care for the poor in person.

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      The big Lutheran denominations have their own publishing companies and the one for LCMS is Concordia Publishing House. They review all the materials they agree to have on their site so even though the books are written by individuals they are approved for use in the LCMS.
      "Christianity does not require more work but more trust." Pr. Jonathan Fisk
      "Bearing fruit does not make you a branch. A branch is a branch because it grows from the vine." Pr. Jonathan Fisk
      "A Christian's life is not defined by what the Christian does. It is defined by Christ and what He has done for us." Pr. Rolf David Preus

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      Quote Originally Posted by Lämmchen View Post
      The big Lutheran denominations have their own publishing companies and the one for LCMS is Concordia Publishing House. They review all the materials they agree to have on their site so even though the books are written by individuals they are approved for use in the LCMS.
      I cannot help but think that there may be a deep philosophical and theological divide between the individual's devotional and the devotional produced by the Church. Of course if the individual's work is centered upon the Church's devotionals then the divide will likely disappear.

      The liturgy of the hours is liturgical in content, corporate in spirit, and ancient, very ancient, in history.
      Pope Gregory I was well known for his alms to the poor, and he gave quite generously of the riches donated to the Church by the wealthy people of Rome. Everything from money to land was given to the poor in some fashion. He made clear to his subordinates that their duty was to relieve the distress faced by the poor.

      He ordered his clergy to go out into the streets to find and care for the poor in person.

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      This last is the "Great Horologion" which is very large and comprehensive, and $114...

      Like you, I am a sucker for a prayer book...

      My favorite is the Psalter... I has a weekly prescription for reading it entirely each week... According to the Kathismata...



      The Service Books you show above are what we pray daily, except Orthodox versions of them...

      Arsenios

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      Nice books Arsenios. The three volume Liturgy of the Hours is about 7,000 pages all up (in the USA they publish it in 4 volumes) But it is really meant for priests and the religious in orders that are obligated to say the prayers of the liturgy daily. I have a copy because I like to read and pray the Office of Readings in it. I use Morning and evening prayer for my daily prayers and I also pray many times apart from the liturgical books.

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      Morning and Evening Prayer contains the Psalter
      Pope Gregory I was well known for his alms to the poor, and he gave quite generously of the riches donated to the Church by the wealthy people of Rome. Everything from money to land was given to the poor in some fashion. He made clear to his subordinates that their duty was to relieve the distress faced by the poor.

      He ordered his clergy to go out into the streets to find and care for the poor in person.

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      The Book of Common Prayer. We invented the idea of putting such materials into the hands of every parishioner.

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