Restaurant refuses service to Huckabee Sanders

psalms 91 · Jun 25, 2018

The no blacks and so on is exactly why businesses were forced into a position of not doing that and rightly so

MennoSota · Jun 25, 2018

tango said:
If we could just have a law that says a business owner is allowed to refuse service to anyone a lot of these issues would go away. The only provisos I would seek are that refusals need to be done at a business level and not at an employee level (e.g. if you work for Wal-Mart you follow Wal-Mart policies even if you disagree with them) and should be clearly posted so that they can be seen before someone enters the premises.

In this day and age the thought of trial by social media would most likely see the majority of businesses falling over themselves to be ever-more inclusive but if a particular business wants to exclude certain types of clientele or business they should be free to do so. In theory you could see a business demanding "No blacks, no Jews, no Irish" or some such but the market would probably do a good job of putting them out of business.

Welcome back to Jim Crowe...no thank you. Your solution leads to apartide.

Albion · Jun 25, 2018

MennoSota said:
Welcome back to Jim Crowe...no thank you. Your solution leads to apartide.

Are you sure that you know what either of those terms means?

psalms 91 · Jun 25, 2018

Albion said:
Are you sure that you know what either of those terms means?

If he doesnt I do and lets face it that is exactly what it is saying

MennoSota · Jun 25, 2018

Albion said:
Are you sure that you know what either of those terms means?

Yep. I'm sure. The first stems from systematic racism still prevalent in the United States. The second is applied to the systemic racism in South Africa, but formulated from observing the creation of indigenous reservations in the United States.

Albion · Jun 25, 2018

MennosnoSota said:
Yep. I'm sure.

Your inability to spell either of them doesn't indicate anything in particular, then. OK

MennoSota · Jun 25, 2018

THAT'S your big concern? [emoji23]

Albion said:
Your inability to spell either of them doesn't indicate anything in particular, then. OK

davedajobauk · Jun 25, 2018

Albion said:
Are you sure that you know what either of those terms means?

He obviously did not learn to spell accurately 'APARTHEID'

I for one, do not fault the co-proprietor
Obnoxious and insensitive people should-not eat, sleep, play, or walk, alongside decent-folks

The bible tells us: NOT TO WALK WITH and / or, in THE WAYS OF THE WICKED

Sending them away
is the milder and most Christian way to-deal ~That, is Christian Love of the ENEMY
Heaven-forbids, that we treat them, as they treat others

Yes let us join-in with LITTLE HITLER [orange mug]
Let us send ALL IMMIGRANTS HOME

Yes even those born of immigrants ~since 1939

Sequester all their material and financial wealth, before, they leave for their "PROMISED LAND"

Mexicans have always been Americans (?)

Such an inhuman disgrace that ordinary people should permit their despotic President, to proceed as he has
There is more news out-there that the 2000 abducted Mexican children, actually number 6,000
and there is absolutely no-record of where they have been transported-to (?)

dave

MennoSota · Jun 25, 2018

davedajobauk said:
He obviously did not learn to spell accurately 'APARTHEID'

I for one, do not fault the co-proprietor
Obnoxious and insensitive people should-not eat, sleep, play, or walk, alongside decent-folks

The bible tells us: NOT TO WALK WITH and / or, in THE WAYS OF THE WICKED

Sending them away
is the milder and most Christian way to-deal ~That, is Christian Love of the ENEMY
Heaven-forbids, that we treat them, as they treat others

Yes let us join-in with LITTLE HITLER [orange mug]
Let us send ALL IMMIGRANTS HOME

Yes even those born of immigrants ~since 1939

Sequester all their material and financial wealth, before, they leave for their "PROMISED LAND"

Mexicans have always been Americans (?)

Such an inhuman disgrace that ordinary people should permit their despotic President, to proceed as he has
There is more news out-there that the 2000 abducted Mexican children, actually number 6,000
and there is absolutely no-record of where they have been transported-to (?)

dave

...I will take your advice and walk away from your posts in the future...[emoji41]

davedajobauk · Jun 25, 2018

MennoSota said:
Right. That was a politically wise decision.
My question is whether the action of the owner is legal. Or did she break the law with her discrimination based on her own conflicting ideology.
For me, it seems that the cake baker and the restaurant owner expressed an ideological discrimination against a person who held an opposing view.

I wish YOU PEOPLE, would climb down from feeling discriminated-against

We have CHOICE, free speech, and the owner exercised her right NOT TO ACCOMODATE

FAIR PLAY to-her ! :thumbsup:

She has my total support
I will not 'HIDE MY LIGHT UNDER A BOWL' [updated, from 'bushel']

dave

PS.
Yes I have seen Huckleberry's smirking
as she parries relevant questions from Press
about the immorality and culpability of the POTUS
and sharing in LIES _
is evil and beyond contempt
God is Judge....

I won't 'pretend', that I DO NOT SEE THEIR INHUMANITY

MennoSota · Jun 25, 2018

bump

MennoSota said:
I found this claim:
Generally speaking, property owners have a right to exclude anyone from their private property for any reason. There is, however, one major limitation on this general rule: federal, state, and municipal public accommodation statutes. These statutes prohibit private property owners who operate “public accommodations” from excluding customers on certain discriminatory grounds.* For business owners, this raises two questions: (1) what qualifies as a public accommodation, and (2) who do public accommodation statutes protect?

What Qualifies as a Public Accommodation?

Under the federal public accommodation statute, a “public accommodation” is one of the following:

Hotels and other businesses providing lodging to transient guests;
Restaurants and other facilities principally engaged in selling food for consumption on the premises;
Places of exhibition or entertainment; and
Establishments that are within or that purport to be a hotel, restaurant, or place of exhibition or entertainment.
See 42 USC § 2000a(b). Thus, restaurant owners should take heed—restaurants are always public accommodations and may be subjected to lawsuits for allegedly discriminatory practices.
http://www.kpmlaw.com/drawing-the-lines-on-discrimination-claims/

davedajobauk · Jun 25, 2018

MennoSota said:
...I will take your advice and walk away from your posts in the future...[emoji41]

Please do !

I have been 'back-reading' CH

This 'revision' has given me so-much insight, into the characters behind 'usernames'
Thank you

dave

davedajobauk · Jun 25, 2018

MennoSota said:
bump

Had you been in the member-list of my own site, your stay
WOULD most-certainly have been VERY short-lived
Many of your 'personal-opinions' would seem to have been
shouted-out, at White Supremacist 'meetings'
Your opinions have been derisory and offensive on-occasion

I do not walk in your shoes [Thank heavens] nor you in mine

Let that be so!

She had 'cause' under her religious-beliefs (Whatever they are]
Politically-speaking...
Lawmakers have recently exposed themselves
as-being as vile and cruel ~as the Mafia
"MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN" yeah yeah [joke]

So, when was it ever GREAT ?

Founding Immigrants were guilty of much larger genocides than Hitler or even Pohl Pot ever-achieved
If you run with the 'herd' you are bound smell (the same-way) with their 'crap' all over you

dave

MennoSota · Jun 25, 2018

This thread addresses the legality or illegality of discrimination by public serving private organizations. Emotional tirades about the current President, whether in favor or against, are irrelevant to this thread.
If a cake baker is breaking the law because patrons have an opposing ideology, is a restaurant owner breaking the law by refusing to serve a customer because that customer has an opposing ideology?

davedajobauk · Jun 25, 2018

MennoSota said:
...I will take your advice and walk away from your posts in the future...[emoji41]

SEEMS that you could not resist taking another 'dig' / another 'poke'

The things you say ALTER with each new thought you have
and you plainly do not mean what you say

que sera sera

dave

? what is an 'Agent Provocateur' ?

? are they well-paid ?

MennoSota · Jun 25, 2018

Here is a good article asking the question whether the US is headed toward civil war. It's based on the conflict addressed here.
"Marriage counselors say that when a couple view one another with contempt, it’s a top indicator that the relationship is likely to fail. Americans, who used to know how to disagree with one another without being mutually contemptuous, seem to be forgetting this. And the news media, which promote shrieking outrage in pursuit of ratings and page views, are making the problem worse.

What would make things better? It would be nice if people felt social ties that transcend politics. Americans’ lives used to involve a lot more intermediating institutions — churches, fraternal organizations, neighborhoods — that crossed political lines. Those have shrunk and decayed, and in fact, for many people politics seems to have become a substitute for religion or fraternal organizations. If you find your identity in your politics, you’re not going to identify with people who don’t share them."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...t-new-us-civil-war-underway-column/729141002/

MennoSota · Jun 25, 2018

Mods...dave is having a bad day. Thank you.

davedajobauk · Jun 25, 2018

MennoSota said:
This thread addresses the legality or illegality of discrimination by public serving private organizations. Emotional tirades about the current President, whether in favor or against, are irrelevant to this thread.
If a cake baker is breaking the law because patrons have an opposing ideology, is a restaurant owner breaking the law by refusing to serve a customer because that customer has an opposing ideology?

I'm sure her 'case' would be supported by an assertion that she spread butter over criminality, inhuman abuse of the populace
Mexicans being AMERICANS before immigrant settlers

CROOKS and their supporters NOT-WELCOME (too right)

AND, your assertion of any political "Tirade" is merely 'another-scam'
to avoid general and even partisan acceptance of the TRUTH

dave

davedajobauk · Jun 25, 2018

MennoSota said:
Mods...dave is having a bad day. Thank you.

Ha ha ha

LOL at least I have not trawled the depths to which you are very plainly 'adept'
Might I respectfully suggest that you put me on ignore

dave

davedajobauk · Jun 25, 2018

MoreCoffee said:
It was very rude of the owner to refuse service. I suspect that the negative publicity may harm her business. I doubt that Sara was harmed much, maybe a little peeved and a little surprised but she is a tough sort and appears to have a very resistant and resilient personality/persona.

Personally, I feel she has a great deal of local support
and her-business will not suffer any loss of custom / patronage, to an extent it could cripple her-business

I do dread, that extremist activists might damage the property /attack her physically
as did the Nazis to Jewish people and their businesses, immediately before WW.II

BUT, would they be right / lawful in such 'retaliation'
which is, what I would suspect was the purpose of her TWEETING from that official-office
(something which may have been 'illegal' all by itself)

dave

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