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    Christian Theology - Thread: Chava(eve) The mother of all living.

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      Quote Originally Posted by pinacled View Post
      Concerning the value of considering the first command with a Promise.
      I was wondering if there would be anyone visiting this forum to help me in the spirit of Understanding about chava.

      Is she a daughter?

      yes or know why so...
      i apologize to the readers for not visiting this Thread more often.
      It can be difficult finding the words to communicate these days.

      I suppose it is because so many were taught wrongly about sin entering the world.
      Just because a woman is deceived does not give the deceiver any equal share of the world.
      No,
      and everyone should know for a fact, the curse is never lifted from that entity.

      So to clarify things

      With cain sin entered the world, and even the elementary Torah students should have this understanding. Only the enemy in desperation attempts to impute sin where there was none.

      "Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death."
      Hence, take captive your thoughts with help from the spirit of self control.(discipline.

      Cain and his lineage reminds me of the covering cherub spoken of in yecheskel (ezekiel.
      this of course could be discussed further along the way.

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      Being the mother of all living.
      I suppose there would be reason satan has lied about Adam being a living soul.
      mishlei(proverbs 18;22
      He who has found a wife has found good, and has obtained favor from the Lord.

      especially since his seed is cursed with a mortal wound upon the head to reveal that a crown will never be given to the cursed seed who is wroth with the woman.



      1 corinthians 11
      Now I praise you because you have remembered everything I told you and observe the traditions just the way I passed them on to you. 3 But I want you to understand that the head of every man is the Messiah, and the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of the Messiah is God. 4 Every man who prays or prophesies wearing something down over his head brings shame to his head, 5 but every woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled brings shame to her head — there is no difference between her and a woman who has had her head shaved. 6 For if a woman is not veiled, let her also have her hair cut short; but if it is shameful for a woman to wear her hair cut short or to have her head shaved, then let her be veiled. 7 For a man indeed should not have his head veiled, because he is the image and glory of God, and the woman is the glory of man. 8 For man was not made from woman, but woman from man;


      the serpents seed does not follow such tradition,
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      i never really gave credence to certain labels when reading\studying till i noticed certain behaviors exhibited by supposed doctrine.

      for instance there is the account of Rachav the innkeeper.
      And Joshua the son of Nun sent two men out of Shittim to spy secretly, saying, Go see the land and Jericho. And they went, and came to the house of an innkeeper named Rahab, and they lay there. אוַיִּשְׁלַ֣ח יְהוֹשֻׁ֣עַ בִּן־נ֠וּן מִן־הַשִּׁטִּ֞ים שְׁנַיִם־אֲנָשִׁ֚ים מְרַגְּלִים֙ חֶ֣רֶשׁ לֵאמֹ֔ר לְכ֛וּ רְא֥וּ אֶת־הָאָ֖רֶץ וְאֶת־יְרִיח֑וֹ וַיֵּֽלְכ֡וּ וַ֠יָּבֹ֠אוּ בֵּ֣ית־אִשָּׁ֥ה זוֹנָ֛ה וּשְׁמָ֥הּ רָחָ֖ב וַיִּשְׁכְּבוּ־שָֽׁמָּה:

      בֵּ֣ית־אִשָּׁ֥ה
      hostess would be closer word relevance.
      https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D7%90%D7%A9%D7%94
      רָחָ֖ב
      https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D7%A8%D7%97%D7%91

      compared to other i choose not to repeat at the moment.
      for now i ask the readers to confirm the Hebrew.
      http://bibleq.net/answer/5295/

      I provided a link to show how this argument has already been contrived by those who would demean the hebrew meanings along with demeaning women in general.
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      Devarim (deuteronomy 1
      [Moreover] your little ones, whom you said will be prey, and your children, who on that day did not know good and evil they will go there and I will give it to them, and they will possess it.

      Psalms 127
      Children are a heritage from the Lord,
      offspring a reward from him.
      4 Like arrows in the hands of a warrior
      are children born in one’s youth.
      5 Blessed is the man
      whose quiver is full of them.
      They will not be put to shame
      when they contend with their opponents in court.
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      Quote Originally Posted by pinacled View Post
      Is she a daughter?
      Nay, a fallen Mother...
      The Mother of all of us...
      Who in Her are also fallen...

      Just as now...
      All who have been baptized into Christ...
      Have His Mother as our own...

      I have never swooned with the vss you love so much...
      Thank-you for sharing your love for them...

      Arsenios
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      Quote Originally Posted by pinacled View Post
      Psalm 127
      Children are born in one’s youth...
      As were we...
      Born in the youth of our fathers and mothers...
      In sins did my mother bear me...

      Honor thy Father and thy Mother...

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      Quote Originally Posted by Arsenios View Post
      Nay, a fallen Mother...
      The Mother of all of us...
      Who in Her are also fallen...

      Just as now...
      All who have been baptized into Christ...
      Have His Mother as our own...

      I have never swooned with the vss you love so much...
      Thank-you for sharing your love for them...

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      The Lord never called Adam or Chavah fallen!
      Why would you?
      Was it something perhaps you were taught or Fed?

      How is it then you will reconcile the children Spoken of here in Devarim 1
      (The words...) (Deuteronomy)}5 The light shines in the darkness,
      and the darkness has not suppressed it.

      [Moreover] your little ones, whom you said will be prey, and your children, who on that day did not know good and evil they will go there and I will give it to them, and they will possess it.

      Personally i am reminded of Yeshua himself speaking of the Children, and leaving instructions not to hinder nor offend them!
      So,
      in Advocating in the name of the Lord.
      I would not want to be a teacher whom the Lord finds accountable on a certain day.
      ole shaul gave a d,rash about our mother!

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      Quote Originally Posted by pinacled View Post
      The Lord never called Adam or Chavah fallen!
      Why would you?
      Was it something perhaps you were taught or Fed?
      1 Timothy 2:14 And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.
      If you want to rile people up then go to a Christian site and give God ALL the glory for your salvation.

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      Quote Originally Posted by TurtleHare View Post
      1 Timothy 2:14 And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.
      verse 15 expounds further.
      ["But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety."]

      Now,
      If I recall correctly. Chavah did have children!
      And so the promise of the Lord is with her always.
      And i still not recall her ever being called fallen.

      Psalm 32 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)

      32 (0) By David. A maskil:
      (1) How blessed are those whose offense is forgiven,
      those whose sin is covered!
      2 How blessed those to whom Adonai imputes no guilt,
      in whose spirit is no deceit!
      3 When I kept silent, my bones wasted away
      because of my groaning all day long;
      4 day and night your hand was heavy on me;
      the sap in me dried up as in a summer drought. (Selah)
      5 When I acknowledged my sin to you,
      when I stopped concealing my guilt,
      and said, “I will confess my offenses to Adonai”;
      then you, you forgave the guilt of my sin. (Selah)
      6 This is what everyone faithful should pray
      at a time when you can be found.
      Then, when the floodwaters are raging,
      they will not reach to him.
      7 You are a hiding-place for me,
      you will keep me from distress;
      you will surround me
      with songs of deliverance. (Selah)
      8 “I will instruct and teach you
      in this way that you are to go;
      I will give you counsel;
      my eyes will be watching you.”
      9 Don’t be like a horse or mule
      that has no understanding,
      that has to be curbed with bit and bridle,
      or else it won’t come near you.
      10 Many are the torments of the wicked,
      but grace surrounds those who trust in Adonai.
      11 Be glad in Adonai; rejoice, you righteous!
      Shout for joy, all you upright in heart!

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      Quote Originally Posted by pinacled View Post
      The Lord never called Adam or Chavah fallen!
      To fall is to turn away from God and embrace disobedient sin in deed...

      Why would you?
      Because they willingly turned away from God their Creator and embraced the Serpent's headship...

      [quote]Was it something perhaps you were taught or Fed?[quote]

      I did manage to wade through Genesis...

      How about you?

      How is it then you will reconcile the children Spoken of here in...Deuteronomy}5
      Could you be more specific? I failed to find these words in Deut 5...

      The light shines in the darkness,
      and the darkness has not suppressed it.

      An improvement in translation from this passage found in John is:

      And the Light in the darkness is shining...
      And the darkness has not overcome it...


      So we understand that darkness fears and hates the Light...

      [Moreover] your little ones, whom you said will be prey,
      and your children,
      who on THAT DAY did not know good and evil
      they will go there and
      I will give it to them, and
      they will possess it.
      (Where do you find this passage?)

      When do you think THAT DAY IS??

      Personally i am reminded of Yeshua himself speaking of the Children,
      and leaving instructions not to hinder nor offend them!
      For of such is the Kingdom of God...

      So,
      in Advocating in the name of the Lord.
      I would not want to be a teacher whom the Lord finds accountable on a certain day.
      ole shaul gave a d,rash about our mother!
      Narrow and straited the Way of the Lord...
      Cherish the children and raise them in the Way...
      Honor thy father and thy mother...
      Behold! Thy Mother!


      Arsenios

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