Chava(eve) The mother of all living.

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Concerning the value of considering the first command with a Promise.
I was wondering if there would be anyone visiting this forum to help me in the spirit of Understanding about chava.

Is she a daughter?

yes or know why so...
 

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The name Chava is a girl's name of Hebrew, Yiddish origin meaning "life". Chava and is often added to user-created lists like Jewish Hebrew Biblical girl names and discussed in our forums with posts like "Change One Letter". From the experts: The Biblical form of Eve; Ava or Eva are more appealing.




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The name Chava is a girl's name of Hebrew, Yiddish origin meaning "life". Chava and is often added to user-created lists like Jewish Hebrew Biblical girl names and discussed in our forums with posts like "Change One Letter". From the experts: The Biblical form of Eve; Ava or Eva are more appealing.




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A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. 8 For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; 9 neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. 10 It is for this reason that a woman ought to have authority over her own head, because of the angels.

He who finds a wife finds what is good
and receives favor from the Lord.


it seems to me that there is something spoke of here about chava
 
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Concerning the value of considering the first command with a Promise.
I was wondering if there would be anyone visiting this forum to help me in the spirit of Understanding about chava.

Is she a daughter?

yes or know why so...

No, Eve is not a daughter (except a daughter of God). Eve was created from the “side” of Adam to be an appropriate helper for him. Thus Eve had no human parents.
 

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A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. 8 For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; 9 neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. 10 It is for this reason that a woman ought to have authority over her own head, because of the angels.

He who finds a wife finds what is good
and receives favor from the Lord.


it seems to me that there is something spoke of here about chava
While not directed at me, the answer is “of course there is something about Eve in those verses. The early chapters of Genesis establish the fundamental roles and responsibilities between a husband and a wife, as well as explaining the great difficulty and rift that the curse has brought between them.

Both of these collections of scriptures harken back to that event and that relationship.
 

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While not directed at me, the answer is “of course there is something about Eve in those verses. The early chapters of Genesis establish the fundamental roles and responsibilities between a husband and a wife, as well as explaining the great difficulty and rift that the curse has brought between them.

Both of these collections of scriptures harken back to that event and that relationship.

The words of King L’mu’el, the prophecy with which his mother disciplined him:
2 No, my son! No, son of my womb!
No, son of my vows!
3 Don’t give your strength to women
or your ways to that which destroys kings.
4 It is not for kings, L’mu’el,
not for kings to drink wine;
it is not for rulers to ask,
“Where can I find strong liquor?”
5 For they may drink, then forget what has been decreed,
and pervert the justice due to the poor.
6 Give strong liquor to one who is perishing,
wine to the deeply depressed;
7 let him drink, forget his poverty
and cease to remember his troubles.
8 Speak up for those who can’t speak for themselves,
for the rights of all who need an advocate.
9 Speak up, judge righteously,
defend the cause of the poor and the needy.
א 10 Who can find a capable wife?
Her value is far beyond that of pearls.
ב 11 Her husband trusts her from his heart,
and she will prove a great asset to him.
ג 12 She works to bring him good, not harm,
all the days of her life.
ד 13 She procures a supply of wool and flax
and works with willing hands.
ה 14 She is like those merchant vessels,
bringing her food from far away.
ו 15 It’s still dark when she rises to give food to her household
and orders to the young women serving her.
ז 16 She considers a field, then buys it,
and from her earnings she plants a vineyard.
ח 17 She gathers her strength around her
and throws herself into her work.
ט 18 She sees that her business affairs go well;
her lamp stays lit at night.
י 19 She puts her hands to the staff with the flax;
her fingers hold the spinning rod.
כ 20 She reaches out to embrace the poor
and opens her arms to the needy.
ל 21 When it snows, she has no fear for her household;
since all of them are doubly clothed.
מ 22 She makes her own quilts;
she is clothed in fine linen and purple.
נ 23 Her husband is known at the city gates
when he sits with the leaders of the land.
ס 24 She makes linen garments and sells them;
she supplies the merchants with sashes.
ע 25 Clothed with strength and dignity,
she can laugh at the days to come.
פ 26 When she opens her mouth, she speaks wisely;
on her tongue is loving instruction.
צ 27 She watches how things go in her house,
not eating the bread of idleness.
ק 28 Her children arise; they make her happy;
her husband too, as he praises her:
ר 29 “Many women have done wonderful things,
but you surpass them all!”
ש 30 Charm can lie, beauty can vanish,
but a woman who fears Adonai should be praised.
ת 31 Give her a share in what she produces;
let her works speak her praises at the city gates.
 

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Pinacled, you believe the Proverbs 31 woman was written about Eve?
 

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Pinacled, you believe the Proverbs 31 woman was written about Eve?

Oh yes very much so, and also written to every daughter since the beginning.
if only the young men of this forum even felt a fraction of how beautiful the love song is.

And the young women need to learn to trust in the Lord when a man defends their soul.

Blessings Always
 

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The name Chava is a girl's name of Hebrew, Yiddish origin meaning "life". Chava and is often added to user-created lists like Jewish Hebrew Biblical girl names and discussed in our forums with posts like "Change One Letter". From the experts: The Biblical form of Eve; Ava or Eva are more appealing.




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Eva reminds me of the pixar cgi movie wallee..

I Love wholesome stories.
 

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The words of King L’mu’el, the prophecy with which his mother disciplined him:
2 No, my son! No, son of my womb!
No, son of my vows!
3 Don’t give your strength to women
or your ways to that which destroys kings.
4 It is not for kings, L’mu’el,
not for kings to drink wine;
it is not for rulers to ask,
“Where can I find strong liquor?”
5 For they may drink, then forget what has been decreed,
and pervert the justice due to the poor.
6 Give strong liquor to one who is perishing,
wine to the deeply depressed;
7 let him drink, forget his poverty
and cease to remember his troubles.
8 Speak up for those who can’t speak for themselves,
for the rights of all who need an advocate.
9 Speak up, judge righteously,
defend the cause of the poor and the needy.
א 10 Who can find a capable wife?
Her value is far beyond that of pearls.
ב 11 Her husband trusts her from his heart,
and she will prove a great asset to him.
ג 12 She works to bring him good, not harm,
all the days of her life.
ד 13 She procures a supply of wool and flax
and works with willing hands.
ה 14 She is like those merchant vessels,
bringing her food from far away.
ו 15 It’s still dark when she rises to give food to her household
and orders to the young women serving her.
ז 16 She considers a field, then buys it,
and from her earnings she plants a vineyard.
ח 17 She gathers her strength around her
and throws herself into her work.
ט 18 She sees that her business affairs go well;
her lamp stays lit at night.
י 19 She puts her hands to the staff with the flax;
her fingers hold the spinning rod.
כ 20 She reaches out to embrace the poor
and opens her arms to the needy.
ל 21 When it snows, she has no fear for her household;
since all of them are doubly clothed.
מ 22 She makes her own quilts;
she is clothed in fine linen and purple.
נ 23 Her husband is known at the city gates
when he sits with the leaders of the land.
ס 24 She makes linen garments and sells them;
she supplies the merchants with sashes.
ע 25 Clothed with strength and dignity,
she can laugh at the days to come.
פ 26 When she opens her mouth, she speaks wisely;
on her tongue is loving instruction.
צ 27 She watches how things go in her house,
not eating the bread of idleness.
ק 28 Her children arise; they make her happy;
her husband too, as he praises her:
ר 29 “Many women have done wonderful things,
but you surpass them all!”
ש 30 Charm can lie, beauty can vanish,
but a woman who fears Adonai should be praised.
ת 31 Give her a share in what she produces;
let her works speak her praises at the city gates.

Children, what you should do in union with the Lord is obey your parents, for this is right. 2 “Honor your father and mother” — this is the first commandment that embodies a promise — 3 “so that it may go well with you, and you may live long in the Land.”

Therefore, stand! Have the belt of truth buckled around your waist,

10 days after pesach..
On the twenty-fourth day of the first month, I was on the bank of the great river, the Tigris, 5 when I looked up, and there before me was a man dressed in linen wearing a belt made of fine Ufaz gold.

if anyone has leaned on the Lord in the Spirit of Understanding.
they perhaps might of known that pesach is always on a full moon.
What ive not seen taught over the yrs, is when the omer count is to begin so that shavuot is observed with a Full Blessing.

Being that the enemy has lied for thousands of yrs. people have become confused. even ignored ole paul about the one who was already at work, the Torah[lawless one.

Now that they have been brought into the light.
you will see how they tempt people to curse Avraham and Yisrael, and further even Curse the Most High.
 
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Concerning the value of considering the first command with a Promise.
I was wondering if there would be anyone visiting this forum to help me in the spirit of Understanding about chava.

Is she a daughter?

yes or know why so...

i apologize to the readers for not visiting this Thread more often.
It can be difficult finding the words to communicate these days.

I suppose it is because so many were taught wrongly about sin entering the world.
Just because a woman is deceived does not give the deceiver any equal share of the world.
No,
and everyone should know for a fact, the curse is never lifted from that entity.

So to clarify things

With cain sin entered the world, and even the elementary Torah students should have this understanding. Only the enemy in desperation attempts to impute sin where there was none.

"Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death."
Hence, take captive your thoughts with help from the spirit of self control.(discipline.

Cain and his lineage reminds me of the covering cherub spoken of in yecheskel (ezekiel.
this of course could be discussed further along the way.
 

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Being the mother of all living.
I suppose there would be reason satan has lied about Adam being a living soul.
mishlei(proverbs 18;22
He who has found a wife has found good, and has obtained favor from the Lord.

especially since his seed is cursed with a mortal wound upon the head to reveal that a crown will never be given to the cursed seed who is wroth with the woman.



1 corinthians 11
Now I praise you because you have remembered everything I told you and observe the traditions just the way I passed them on to you. 3 But I want you to understand that the head of every man is the Messiah, and the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of the Messiah is God. 4 Every man who prays or prophesies wearing something down over his head brings shame to his head, 5 but every woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled brings shame to her head — there is no difference between her and a woman who has had her head shaved. 6 For if a woman is not veiled, let her also have her hair cut short; but if it is shameful for a woman to wear her hair cut short or to have her head shaved, then let her be veiled. 7 For a man indeed should not have his head veiled, because he is the image and glory of God, and the woman is the glory of man. 8 For man was not made from woman, but woman from man;


the serpents seed does not follow such tradition,
 
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i never really gave credence to certain labels when reading\studying till i noticed certain behaviors exhibited by supposed doctrine.

for instance there is the account of Rachav the innkeeper.
And Joshua the son of Nun sent two men out of Shittim to spy secretly, saying, Go see the land and Jericho. And they went, and came to the house of an innkeeper named Rahab, and they lay there. אוַיִּשְׁלַ֣ח יְהוֹשֻׁ֣עַ בִּן־נ֠וּן מִן־הַשִּׁטִּ֞ים שְׁנַיִם־אֲנָשִׁ֚ים מְרַגְּלִים֙ חֶ֣רֶשׁ לֵאמֹ֔ר לְכ֛וּ רְא֥וּ אֶת־הָאָ֖רֶץ וְאֶת־יְרִיח֑וֹ וַיֵּֽלְכ֡וּ וַ֠יָּבֹ֠אוּ בֵּ֣ית־אִשָּׁ֥ה זוֹנָ֛ה וּשְׁמָ֥הּ רָחָ֖ב וַיִּשְׁכְּבוּ־שָֽׁמָּה:

בֵּ֣ית־אִשָּׁ֥ה
hostess would be closer word relevance.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/אשה
רָחָ֖ב
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/רחב

compared to other i choose not to repeat at the moment.
for now i ask the readers to confirm the Hebrew.
http://bibleq.net/answer/5295/

I provided a link to show how this argument has already been contrived by those who would demean the hebrew meanings along with demeaning women in general.
 
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Devarim (deuteronomy 1
[Moreover] your little ones, whom you said will be prey, and your children, who on that day did not know good and evil they will go there and I will give it to them, and they will possess it.

Psalms 127
Children are a heritage from the Lord,
offspring a reward from him.
4 Like arrows in the hands of a warrior
are children born in one’s youth.
5 Blessed is the man
whose quiver is full of them.
They will not be put to shame
when they contend with their opponents in court.
 
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Is she a daughter?

Nay, a fallen Mother...
The Mother of all of us...
Who in Her are also fallen...

Just as now...
All who have been baptized into Christ...
Have His Mother as our own...

I have never swooned with the vss you love so much...
Thank-you for sharing your love for them...

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Psalm 127
Children are born in one’s youth...

As were we...
Born in the youth of our fathers and mothers...
In sins did my mother bear me...

Honor thy Father and thy Mother...

Arsenios
 

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Nay, a fallen Mother...
The Mother of all of us...
Who in Her are also fallen...

Just as now...
All who have been baptized into Christ...
Have His Mother as our own...

I have never swooned with the vss you love so much...
Thank-you for sharing your love for them...

Arsenios
The Lord never called Adam or Chavah fallen!
Why would you?
Was it something perhaps you were taught or Fed?

How is it then you will reconcile the children Spoken of here in Devarim 1
(The words...) (Deuteronomy)}5 The light shines in the darkness,
and the darkness has not suppressed it.

[Moreover] your little ones, whom you said will be prey, and your children, who on that day did not know good and evil they will go there and I will give it to them, and they will possess it.

Personally i am reminded of Yeshua himself speaking of the Children, and leaving instructions not to hinder nor offend them!
So,
in Advocating in the name of the Lord.
I would not want to be a teacher whom the Lord finds accountable on a certain day.
ole shaul gave a d,rash about our mother!
 

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The Lord never called Adam or Chavah fallen!
Why would you?
Was it something perhaps you were taught or Fed?

1 Timothy 2:14 And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.
 

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1 Timothy 2:14 And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.
verse 15 expounds further.
["But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety."]

Now,
If I recall correctly. Chavah did have children!
And so the promise of the Lord is with her always.
And i still not recall her ever being called fallen.

Psalm 32 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)

32 (0) By David. A maskil:
(1) How blessed are those whose offense is forgiven,
those whose sin is covered!
2 How blessed those to whom Adonai imputes no guilt,
in whose spirit is no deceit!
3 When I kept silent, my bones wasted away
because of my groaning all day long;
4 day and night your hand was heavy on me;
the sap in me dried up as in a summer drought. (Selah)
5 When I acknowledged my sin to you,
when I stopped concealing my guilt,
and said, “I will confess my offenses to Adonai”;
then you, you forgave the guilt of my sin. (Selah)
6 This is what everyone faithful should pray
at a time when you can be found.
Then, when the floodwaters are raging,
they will not reach to him.
7 You are a hiding-place for me,
you will keep me from distress;
you will surround me
with songs of deliverance. (Selah)
8 “I will instruct and teach you
in this way that you are to go;
I will give you counsel;
my eyes will be watching you.”
9 Don’t be like a horse or mule
that has no understanding,
that has to be curbed with bit and bridle,
or else it won’t come near you.
10 Many are the torments of the wicked,
but grace surrounds those who trust in Adonai.
11 Be glad in Adonai; rejoice, you righteous!
Shout for joy, all you upright in heart!
 

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The Lord never called Adam or Chavah fallen!

To fall is to turn away from God and embrace disobedient sin in deed...

Why would you?

Because they willingly turned away from God their Creator and embraced the Serpent's headship...

Was it something perhaps you were taught or Fed?
I did manage to wade through Genesis...

How about you?

How is it then you will reconcile the children Spoken of here in...Deuteronomy}5

Could you be more specific? I failed to find these words in Deut 5...

The light shines in the darkness,
and the darkness has not suppressed it.

An improvement in translation from this passage found in John is:

And the Light in the darkness is shining...
And the darkness has not overcome it...


So we understand that darkness fears and hates the Light...

[Moreover] your little ones, whom you said will be prey,
and your children,
who on THAT DAY did not know good and evil
they will go there and
I will give it to them, and
they will possess it.
(Where do you find this passage?)

When do you think THAT DAY IS??

Personally i am reminded of Yeshua himself speaking of the Children,
and leaving instructions not to hinder nor offend them!

For of such is the Kingdom of God...

So,
in Advocating in the name of the Lord.
I would not want to be a teacher whom the Lord finds accountable on a certain day.
ole shaul gave a d,rash about our mother!

Narrow and straited the Way of the Lord...
Cherish the children and raise them in the Way...
Honor thy father and thy mother...
Behold! Thy Mother!


Arsenios
 
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