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    Politics - Thread: It's abhorrent.

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      It's abhorrent.

      David Brooks says that the policy of separating children from their parents if the parents either entered the USA without a valid visa or applied for refuge after entering the USA is abhorrent.

      Pope Gregory I was well known for his alms to the poor, and he gave quite generously of the riches donated to the Church by the wealthy people of Rome. Everything from money to land was given to the poor in some fashion. He made clear to his subordinates that their duty was to relieve the distress faced by the poor.

      He ordered his clergy to go out into the streets to find and care for the poor in person.

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      If any parent commits a crime in the US, then their children can be removed from their care and placed in a foster home...ANY parent who commits a crime. That includes those who enter the country illegally since that is a crime.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Lämmchen View Post
      If any parent commits a crime in the US, then their children can be removed from their care and placed in a foster home...ANY parent who commits a crime. That includes those who enter the country illegally since that is a crime.
      Still doesnt make it right and the immigration bill that is being considered in Congress addresses that very issue, thankfully. To me there is a big difference between murder and rape and just simply walking across a border seeking a better life.
      Isaiah 40:31

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      Abhorrent is a good starting point. Inhuman, barbaric and evil also come to mind.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
      Abhorrent is a good starting point. Inhuman, barbaric and evil also come to mind.
      It is good to see a Christian response. Thanks Tigger.

      I do not know if David Brooks is a Christian, maybe he is, maybe he isn't but he can see an immoral practise as well as any Christian in this case, better than some.
      Last edited by MoreCoffee; 06-16-2018 at 08:54 AM.
      Pope Gregory I was well known for his alms to the poor, and he gave quite generously of the riches donated to the Church by the wealthy people of Rome. Everything from money to land was given to the poor in some fashion. He made clear to his subordinates that their duty was to relieve the distress faced by the poor.

      He ordered his clergy to go out into the streets to find and care for the poor in person.

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      Quote Originally Posted by psalms 91 View Post
      Still doesnt make it right and the immigration bill that is being considered in Congress addresses that very issue, thankfully. To me there is a big difference between murder and rape and just simply walking across a border seeking a better life.
      You are right brother psalms 91, it is abhorrent and worse to do that to children.
      Pope Gregory I was well known for his alms to the poor, and he gave quite generously of the riches donated to the Church by the wealthy people of Rome. Everything from money to land was given to the poor in some fashion. He made clear to his subordinates that their duty was to relieve the distress faced by the poor.

      He ordered his clergy to go out into the streets to find and care for the poor in person.

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      If the parents didn't commit a crime of illegally entering a country then their children would still be with them. Why is the blame put on the country that has set up boundaries instead of the criminals?
      "Christianity does not require more work but more trust." Pr. Jonathan Fisk
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      Quote Originally Posted by MoreCoffee View Post
      It is good to see a Christian response. Thanks Tigger.

      I do not know if David Brooks is a Christians, maybe he is, maybe he isn't but he can see an immoral practise as well as any Christian in this case, better than some.
      didn’t memtion his current religious affliation but at least particular topic we would be in agreement on.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Lämmchen View Post
      If the parents didn't commit a crime of illegally entering a country then their children would still be with them. Why is the blame put on the country that has set up boundaries instead of the criminals?
      Maybe because our ancestors were all once immigrants and I believe that people should be treated with kindness and decency instead of a hellish response of ripping their children away from them just because they crossed a border
      Isaiah 40:31

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      Quote Originally Posted by psalms 91 View Post
      Maybe because our ancestors were all once immigrants and I believe that people should be treated with kindness and decency instead of a hellish response of ripping their children away from them just because they crossed a border
      My relatives came to the US using LEGAL methods. They weren't criminals trying to get away with doing something illegal.

      Who complained when children were put in foster care when Obama was president?
      Thousands of Children Stuck in Foster Care after Parents Deported, Report Finds
      http://immigrationimpact.com/2011/11...-report-finds/
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