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      I've left a couple. One was a Pentecostal church that was steeped in 'Modalism' (One God - three "modes" of operation. Essentially denying the Trinity). There were other doctrinal issues that were just way off base. The second was the MB (Mennonite Brethren) church. I'd begun to study a bit about baptism, communion, and how God used those ordinances. I came to conclusions that were different than doctrines held by the MB and most Evangelical churches. Eventually those conclusions led me to the Lutheran church.
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      But I don't believe that we're in this alone, I believe we're along for the ride..
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      Quote Originally Posted by ImaginaryDay2 View Post
      I've left a couple. One was a Pentecostal church that was steeped in 'Modalism' (One God - three "modes" of operation. Essentially denying the Trinity). There were other doctrinal issues that were just way off base. The second was the MB (Mennonite Brethren) church. I'd begun to study a bit about baptism, communion, and how God used those ordinances. I came to conclusions that were different than doctrines held by the MB and most Evangelical churches. Eventually those conclusions led me to the Lutheran church.
      What would make you want to leave the Lutheran church?
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      I would consider leaving if not taking a break from my church if drama began to consume the membership, dividing the friendships I have formed through the years and creating an environment that is no longer mentally healthy for me to be a part. That type of situation will wreck a congregation filling it will gossip and useless quarrels and I remind those friends of mine, is it really worth it what you believe you are fighting for in order to divide the way you are doing? The truly humble will bow down before God almighty and make amends which is a divine act to behold seeing God at work among the friends I hold dear to my heart. Praise Him, He makes us see that our hearts are stubborn but He is merciful and loving.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Wilhemena View Post
      I would consider leaving if not taking a break from my church if drama began to consume the membership, dividing the friendships I have formed through the years and creating an environment that is no longer mentally healthy for me to be a part. That type of situation will wreck a congregation filling it will gossip and useless quarrels and I remind those friends of mine, is it really worth it what you believe you are fighting for in order to divide the way you are doing? The truly humble will bow down before God almighty and make amends which is a divine act to behold seeing God at work among the friends I hold dear to my heart. Praise Him, He makes us see that our hearts are stubborn but He is merciful and loving.
      This is true...these things can divide a church. People get mad if the carpet color gets changed! Hopefully a good pastor can get them to reconcile before it tears their world apart.
      "Christianity does not require more work but more trust." Pr. Jonathan Fisk
      "Bearing fruit does not make you a branch. A branch is a branch because it grows from the vine." Pr. Jonathan Fisk
      "A Christian's life is not defined by what the Christian does. It is defined by Christ and what He has done for us." Pr. Rolf David Preus

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      Things that would make me leave my beloved Lutheran Church- Missouri Synod are the same things that led to my departure from the other two denominations that I was affiliated with in my lifetime. #1: Apostacy from the Biblical base of doctrine, #2: Caring more about the financial contributions of communicant members more than the state of their souls before God, #3: Elitism, or an unwelcoming attitude to inquirers or guests, #4: Submitting to worldly rather than godly standards.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Lämmchen View Post
      False teaching is definitely the main thing that would make me want to leave. I'm not sure that at this point feeling welcome is crucial although it's nice that I have friends there who care about me.

      If you had a choice between 2 similar churches and one had a longer church service by about a half hour than the other, would you go to the one with the shorter service? Would you leave the church that had a longer service?
      If the extra half hour was a non-stand-up-sit-down worship service which had true to scripture songs that would set president for me. False teaching of course is a deal breaker and the sheep making room is the well of plenty. I would also rate getting along with the pastor as a priority also as that can have significant effect of being comfortable in a church setting.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Lämmchen View Post
      Are there things that would give you reason to leave your church? Or things that have already caused you to leave one?
      For me, that question means "What things would make me leave the Body of Christ?" And the answer to that of course no worldly thing ever...

      And IF the particular congregation in which I worship were to do bad things or teach false doctrines, I would lay down my life for its correction... Were it to be, say, taken over by a bunch of Satanists who were conducting Satanic services in it, I would burn the building to the ground...

      With the Church understood as the Hospital for Sinners, things can get pretty tough in the struggle to prove the Faith of Christ in our own bodies...

      However, most struggles are hidden in Christ...

      And that struggle only comes to light in Confession...

      Arsenios

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      (No Debate) What things would make you leave your church?

      I think what the author means is what would make you leave your local congregation ? Not the Body of Christ.
      We could not leave the Body of Christ if we wanted.

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      "Therefore, having been justified by faith, [a]we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ Romans 5:1

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      Quote Originally Posted by Lämmchen View Post
      What would make you want to leave the Lutheran church?
      I'm not really sure. The only thing might be if I were somewhere that there wasn't a church available. In parts of BC that might be a reality. If work or something else precipitates a move I might have to consider that, but I don't think my beliefs would change much. I'd probably look for a conservative Anglican church in that case. Barring that, I may visit a local Catholic parish, but I don't think I'd join/convert.
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      Quote Originally Posted by psalms 91 View Post
      I think you might have been in a Pentecostal church and the reasoning behind this is call those things that arent as though they are , joined with faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen. The rick to this is that it has to be Gods will for that person or no amount of saying it is so will get you anywhere.
      Their reasoning was to wrench Job 22:28 out of context and stand on the promise that God never made. I think two words that summed up much of what that church was about would be "cognitive dissonance".

      As you say if it isn't God's will then we can declare whatever we want and it does nothing.
      "Do what thou will shall be the whole of the law" - Aleister Crowley

      "If you love me, obey my commandments" - Jesus Christ

      The Bible comes as a complete package. If we want to pluck verses out of context so make them mean what we want them to mean, if we want to ignore the passages that are inconvenient to our outlook, we should be intellectually honest enough to throw our Bibles in the trash and admit we are following Crowley and not Christ.

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