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    Christian Theology - Thread: Should Teachings be Accountable?

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      Quote Originally Posted by tango View Post
      Without quoting the opening post in its entirety....

      Opinions are equally valid.
      The problem with relativism, as I tried to stress, is that that's ALL there is. Endless, unaccountable, equal opinions.... truth not existing or not mattering, if it does.




      Sometimes we have opinions on something where an absolute truth exists but is difficult or impossible to determine

      But I think you are embracing that true DOES exist - just hard to determine. We might have theories and we might discuss those - NOT because truth doesn't exist, NOT because truth wouldn't matter if it did, NOT because all opinions are equally valid and equally unaccountable.

      I'd be the last one here at CH to argue against mystery! But while mystery exists, it doesn't mean truth doesn't exist - and that we are all to express whatever feeling springs from mouth - and all are equally sound, equally to be respected, equally unaccountable and immune from examination.


      There is no dispute that 1Th5:21 urges us to test all things

      Yup.

      I listed a goodly number of biblical verses - I confess with the intended implication that God's Truth trumps endless, unaccountable, equal human opinions. They all suggests that truth exists and we are to care about that. That we are to NOT shut up but speak up. Albeit with a very important (critically important) attitude (I included that point too in my sharing of Scriptures).



      but we might discuss endlessly how best to test

      I completely agree! As one with a Ph.D. in physics, one who has been an author on 6 scientific papers, one who had my dissertation torn to shreads because that's what we do in science.... one who has worked for years with science.... yup, getting a handle on Truth ain't no easy task! I completely agree! And I could on about the enormous need for accountability, for examination, having commonly accepted norms and processes, etc. But MY point in the post is that truth matters. It's not just an endless number of opinions that one feels at the moment and comes from their mouth - exempt from truth, from facts, from from everything - all equal, all swell, all to be equally embraced.

      In non-science (and in science a LOT, LOT more than most realize), it's HARD. And egos get involved. And "sacred cows" get involved. And even money and power get involved. I ain't saying it's easy! But I reject the modern relativism that has infected so much of modern society (and unfortunately, perhaps the church more than anything else).



      Thank you.


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      Post #4:
      …a new area of the forum just started where debate isn't allowed.
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      What forum is that?
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      the new "Christian Discussion No Debate" section that just started on this forum.
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      Dictionary.com – discussion [emphasis added]: an act or instance of discussing; consideration or examination by argument, comment, etc., especially to explore solutions; informal debate.

      Dictionary.com – debate [emphasis added]: a discussion, as of a public question in an assembly, involving opposing viewpoints.

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      On the basis of that, I debate the idea that discussion can be undertaken without debate. (And vice versa.)

      Maybe more discussion should be permitted to allow debate on the matter.


      (Unless it was a trick, hoping someone would take de bait. In which case I bit. If so, I should be undebatably discuss-ted with myself for being tricked.)
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      There will be no discussion about the new forum as to whether it will or will not have debate. The owner has already chosen what will happen in that forum. Please do not bring the new forum into this topic of this thread will be trashed.
      "Christianity does not require more work but more trust." Pr. Jonathan Fisk
      "Bearing fruit does not make you a branch. A branch is a branch because it grows from the vine." Pr. Jonathan Fisk
      "A Christian's life is not defined by what the Christian does. It is defined by Christ and what He has done for us." Pr. Rolf David Preus

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      Please, all, don't hijack the thread.

      Please, all, don't try to stop and hinder discussion in a discussion forum.

      Please, all, don't try to derail the thread with snide, snerky, personal rebukes (of the opening poster or any who choose to participate in the important subject).



      There are concerns right now about posters not engaging in discussion, members posting snide personal remarks and rebukes instead of respectfully engaging in constructive discussion. Let's all try to avoid it. Try to be examples of the respect and open discussion (without the derails and personal snide remarks) that we want here. And if you have nothing to say to the discussion topic, then don't post in it (simple, huh?) - and if you are going to insist on that polity, practice it. I hold that this loss of TRUTH and ever-increasing embrace of RELATIVISM is a cancer in our modern society, and perhaps no more so than in the modern church. And I gave Scripture to support my view (as has been suggested we do - but they were ignored) and questions to discuss (as has been suggested - but they were ignored).


      See the opening post.



      - Josiah



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      To our members: My Like for Josiah's post was for what he originally wrote. Not what he edited and added, in case you were confused. Carry on.
      "Christianity does not require more work but more trust." Pr. Jonathan Fisk
      "Bearing fruit does not make you a branch. A branch is a branch because it grows from the vine." Pr. Jonathan Fisk
      "A Christian's life is not defined by what the Christian does. It is defined by Christ and what He has done for us." Pr. Rolf David Preus

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      #1 _Are we to just swallow the opinions of others?

      Some, leave us no-choice, other than to 'suck it up' >> Obey those in-authority over you



      #2 _Are all opinions equal?

      Yes, it is the 'evaluation' by the listener, of the opinion's 'applicability', that requires consideration >> Jesus on the Mount


      #3 _Does truth actually exist?

      Do we know, when we hear LIES ? if so, then do we not seek and respect TRUTH ?


      #4 _Does it matter?

      If that question, was meant to ask: "DOES TRUTH MATTER" Where does reality exist, in it's absence ?



      Yes / No could, be applied to every question, but, you invite (hope-for) 'more-detailed responses'

      God is TRUTH
      and, we are TO BECOME LIKE HIM / to-follow His ways
      God does not deceive and neither should we


      I used-to urge my children, to "TELL THE TRUTH AND SHAME THE DEVIL"


      example: Let us say, that I knew of the whereabouts of a battered-wife that had sought refuge from the violence (?)

      I would tell lies ~to protect-her ie: Deny any-knowledge of her/ her location

      ECCLESIASTES 3 (NIV)

      God, is Judge

      dave
      Isaiah 40:31
      Ecclesiastes 3

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      We are justified by works - just not our own.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Albion View Post
      It's a shame that CH has to end this way. Really.
      LOL, is that an opinion or a fact.

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