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    World Religion & Speculative Theology - Thread: How can an unbeliever please God?

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      Repentance is a spiritual act of faith.

      It involves 4 aspects:

      1. STOPPING whatever it is that displeases God.
      2. CONFESSING the wrong to the Holy God.
      3. TURNING to God's mercy for forgiveness
      4. LOOKING to the Holy Spirit for direction and strength - and walking in the right way.
      We are justified by works - just not our own.

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      Quote Originally Posted by psalms 91 View Post
      this, it is turning away from not turning to
      Nope, nope, nope. It is a turning away and turning to because here is where it says it is in Acts 20:21 I have declared to both Jews and Greeks that they must turn to God in repentance and have faith in our Lord Jesus.
      If you want to rile people up then go to a Christian site and give God ALL the glory for your salvation.

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      Quote Originally Posted by TurtleHare View Post
      Nope, nope, nope. It is a turning away and turning to because here is where it says it is in Acts 20:21 I have declared to both Jews and Greeks that they must turn to God in repentance and have faith in our Lord Jesus.
      I dont disagree with this but if something is bad and you finally figure that out you can turn from it (repent) without ever turning to God, however, that is what we all strive for is to turn people to Christ
      Isaiah 40:31

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      Quote Originally Posted by psalms 91 View Post
      this, it is turning away from not turning to
      metanoia is a change of mind - meta- from , nous mind


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      "Therefore, having been justified by faith, [a]we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ Romans 5:1

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      Quote Originally Posted by TurtleHare View Post
      The Justification thread got so long that I did not want my question to get lost in the mess of things and here we can talk about a thing that was brought up and is important and yet it does not fit with what I was taught. How can an unbeliever please God is my question and it is from that thread where Arsenios said he repented for years as an atheist and that it justified him. How is that even possible?
      Does anybody say an UNbeliever pleases God in his UNbelief? I haven't seen it written. But if you ask can a person who is not a believer do good? then the answer is not so hard to give, Romans chapter two verses twelve to sixteen and also in the old testament several people who were not Israelites and are not said to be believers do good. Rahab, Cyrus, even the good Samaritan in the parable do good without being called believers. Ruth did good and became a believer but the good she did started before she came to believe. I am confident that if you search the scriptures you will find many more examples of men and women doing good towards God's people and in other ways without first believing in the God of Israel or in the Lord Jesus Christ.
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      Pope Gregory I was well known for his alms to the poor, and he gave quite generously of the riches donated to the Church by the wealthy people of Rome. Everything from money to land was given to the poor in some fashion. He made clear to his subordinates that their duty was to relieve the distress faced by the poor.

      He ordered his clergy to go out into the streets to find and care for the poor in person.

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      Quote Originally Posted by popsthebuilder View Post
      Repentance is turning from a thing....not towards a thing.

      One cannot turn towards GOD without being found of GOD.

      one cannot magically go from atheism to theism on a whim. One must be convinced of GOD. This comes after sincere attempted repentance and is of GOD alone, not of the person who just chooses to believe one day.



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      The gospel is not merely "repent" but also "and believe the gospel", why "because the kingdom of God is at hand". Repentance is more than sorrow for sins and more than turning away from sins it is to change one's mind and turn towards God for help, mercy, and light by which to see and walk in good works pleasing to God.
      Pope Gregory I was well known for his alms to the poor, and he gave quite generously of the riches donated to the Church by the wealthy people of Rome. Everything from money to land was given to the poor in some fashion. He made clear to his subordinates that their duty was to relieve the distress faced by the poor.

      He ordered his clergy to go out into the streets to find and care for the poor in person.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Pedrito View Post
      Hebrews 11:6:

      But without faith it is impossible to please him : for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
      Isa 65:1
      I am sought of them that asked not for me;
      I am found of them that sought me not:
      I said, "Behold me, behold me,"
      unto a nation that was not called by my name.


      Rom 10:20
      But Esaias is very bold, and saith,
      "I was found of them that sought me not;
      I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me."


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      Quote Originally Posted by Albion View Post
      Obviously you were not actually an atheist.
      You kiddin' me? I was a doctrinal, Ayn Rand Atheist...

      I can STILL prove God does not exist...

      Heck, I proved it to God!

      But I did make a committment to Truth as a 4-5 year old one night...

      And forgot doing so until I was almost 40...

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      Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
      Yes, I question this as well. No atheist would believe they have a soul or that they could exorcise something that is written into their gene code by nature itself. An honest and truly thinking atheist would argue that the entire Universe is determined by nature and nature's function. We act as we do because it is programmed by nature for us to act exactly that way.
      I was a free will atheist...

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      Quote Originally Posted by Josiah View Post
      God flatly states the unbeliever CANNOT. "Without faith, it is IMPOSSIBLE to please God." Anything unclear there? One without spiritual life ergo can't do anything spiritual.


      Now, theologicans speak of CIVIL righteousness. Luther spoke much of this, appropriately praising this. ALL are capable of doing relative good to one's neighbor.... and being praiseworthy (including by God) for such. These may be acts VOID of faith, the Holy Spirit and justification - but still of value in view of our fellow human beings. I have a Buddhist friend who does MUCH good for others - and what is good is good. Relatively speaking. BEFORE MAN.


      But BEFORE GOD, anything "good" to HIM must be from faith..... and must flow from LIFE..... and is empowered and directed by the Holy Spirit. It is impossible for one without spiritual life to do anything spiritual. It is impossible for one without faith to do anything with faith. It is impossible for one to be directed and empowered by the Holy Spirit without the Holy Spirit. Before humans, a DOG can do a good work (and they often do - even saving people from death) but that's not a good work unto God; it is fruitful to man but it is NOT a good work or pleasing unto God. "It is IMPOSSIBLE to please God without faith." For centuries (long before the Reformation) Christians made this distinction between civil and religious righteousness - "good" before man and "good" before God. It is an important distinction.... if for no other reason, it makes Christianity true, that even the Pharisee (who was as good in the civil sense as likely possible) is still a DEAD man needing salvation....



      - Josiah




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      This kind of thinking is why I would not abide what I then understood as Christians to even have a conversation with me, so doctrinaire and judgemental was their approach... I was a terror, I say! I would punish them with logical arguments that would destroy their pretense... I won every argument to my own satisfaction, needless to say...

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