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    World Religion & Speculative Theology - Thread: How can an unbeliever please God?

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      How can an unbeliever please God?

      The Justification thread got so long that I did not want my question to get lost in the mess of things and here we can talk about a thing that was brought up and is important and yet it does not fit with what I was taught. How can an unbeliever please God is my question and it is from that thread where Arsenios said he repented for years as an atheist and that it justified him. How is that even possible?
      If you want to rile people up then go to a Christian site and give God ALL the glory for your salvation.

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      Quote Originally Posted by TurtleHare View Post
      The Justification thread got so long that I did not want my question to get lost in the mess of things and here we can talk about a thing that was brought up and is important and yet it does not fit with what I was taught. How can an unbeliever please God is my question and it is from that thread where Arsenios said he repented for years as an atheist and that it justified him. How is that even possible?
      As I see it, it isnt possible. I agree that it is possible to do good works and even surpass what a lot of christians do but without salvation you cannot and will not please God
      Isaiah 40:31

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      What pleases God is faith. Otherwise, our good deeds are like filthy rags to God. We have nothing to brag about

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      An unbeliever cannot please God without faith as Jsimms says. An unbeliever cannot repent (which is pleasing to God) without faith...and if he had faith then he would be a believer.
      "Christianity does not require more work but more trust." Pr. Jonathan Fisk
      "Bearing fruit does not make you a branch. A branch is a branch because it grows from the vine." Pr. Jonathan Fisk
      "A Christian's life is not defined by what the Christian does. It is defined by Christ and what He has done for us." Pr. Rolf David Preus

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      Quote Originally Posted by TurtleHare View Post
      The Justification thread got so long that I did not want my question to get lost in the mess of things and here we can talk about a thing that was brought up and is important and yet it does not fit with what I was taught. How can an unbeliever please God is my question and it is from that thread where Arsenios said he repented for years as an atheist and that it justified him. How is that even possible?
      Its not. An unbeliever cannot please God.

      I do not remember reading what you said Arsenios wrote, but I have no idea how anyone would believe that an atheist would repent for years, as an atheist, for being an atheist. What would he repent of--offending a being that does not exist???

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      Hebrews 11
      [6]And it is impossible to please God without faith. Anyone who wants to come to him must believe that God exists and that he rewards those who sincerely seek him.

      Since God gives the gift of faith to those whom he makes alive (Ephesians 2:1-10) it is therefore impossible for an unregenerate person to please God.
      That, however, does not mean that God will not use the unregenerate person to accomplish His ordained will. In Habakkuk we read that God raised up wicked Babylon to do His bidding against Judah, God's chosen nation.

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      Quote Originally Posted by TurtleHare View Post
      Arsenios said he repented for years as an atheist
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      that it justified him.
      How is that even possible?
      Begin with a correction - I did not say that my repenting justified me...

      I said God Justified me through my non-believer's repentance...

      And in this I was going along with someone else's weak and error filled understanding of Justification...

      Then:
      The Gospel is the Call of Christ to sinners to be repenting unto entry into the Kingdom of Heaven...
      It should not be strange that an atheist
      repenting against demonic powers in his own soul
      should be Justified by God...

      I simply went after the evils I found in my own soul to eradicate them...
      That I should become the person I wanted to become...
      I had a lot of successes, but the main thing I failed...
      And turned from life on this earth...

      THAT is when God came to a purified heart except for the one big thing needing excision...
      Make that exorcism...
      Make that Healing of mine infirmity...

      Knowing God it still took another 37 years for Him to remove that one thing...
      So now you know...
      You could have asked me on the other thread...
      Or you could have asked me privately...

      I did not come to God by the safe "Inside Passage" to the Kingdom of Heaven...
      I came through the outside ocean of storms where few survive...
      And I am becoming persuaded that it was to overcome a passion that is almost never, if ever, overcome...
      Hindsight is 20/20, and the path is clear from here...
      Going through those storms and their casualties was never clear...
      Except for personal integrity and an unwavering commitment to the truth...
      And this all as an Ayn Rand discipled Atheist...

      The Call to Repentance is repentance...
      Belief is a great blessing in this endeavor...
      I just happened not to believe...
      I just wanted a clean soul...
      And glittering integrity...

      It was my failure that triggered my encounter with God...

      And those who have been fortunate to have such an encounter...
      KNOW how life-transforming it is...
      I can still prove God does not exist...
      I proved it to God...
      And He replied: mmmmmmmm......

      Turns out to be Apophatically correct...
      He GIVES existence to creation...
      Existence is an ttribute of creation...
      God is uncreated...
      Therefore He cannot have existence...
      So the Orthodox say God is Supra-Existent and let it go at that...
      And this baritone in the choir said: Amen!


      Arsenios

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      Quote Originally Posted by Albion View Post
      Its not. An unbeliever cannot please God.

      I do not remember reading what you said Arsenios wrote, but I have no idea how anyone would believe that an atheist would repent for years, as an atheist, for being an atheist. What would he repent of--offending a being that does not exist???
      I simply went after evils in my own soul that had no business being there...

      THAT is quintessential repentance, it turns out...

      Big surprise for me too... An atheist...

      Arsenios

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      Quote Originally Posted by Lämmchen View Post
      An unbeliever cannot please God without faith as Jsimms says. An unbeliever cannot repent (which is pleasing to God) without faith...and if he had faith then he would be a believer.
      God is pleased with those who gird their loins for battle against evils within their own souls...

      He does not care if you are a believer or not...

      It took Him less than one second in our third encounter to convey that He IS God...

      What He wants if our turning from evil and doing what is right and good unflinchingly, regardless of cost...

      THAT was my athiest path, and it led me to find the God I was not seeking...

      Foretold by Isaiah, btw, and retold by Paul: "I will be found by those not seeking Me..."

      I am simply one of these...

      Hard pill for you to swallow, I know... I know...

      I hate lies, that's all...

      And love Truth...

      Even unto death...

      Arsenios

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      Hebrews 11:6:

      But without faith it is impossible to please him : for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
      Seeking to understand with precision, God's holy and coherent revelation to us.

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