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    Christian Theology - Thread: When is our name written in the book of life?

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      Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
      Why?
      Can we live or breathe outside of the Creator's ordination? The Bible says we cannot.
      Since we can do nothing except by God's ordination it stands that even the wickedness of man is given the right to exist and act because God, in His own undisclosed plan, says that it can happen. If God willed it, all evil would cease immediately, but God does not yet will it. Therefore, the evil He allows is allowed according to His perfect and good ordination.
      God is not the author of confusion.

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      Quote Originally Posted by pinacled View Post
      God is not the author of confusion.
      No one said He is.
      You did not answer my point at all, but simply avoided it with a flippant answer.

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      Quote Originally Posted by pinacled View Post
      The Lord reigns; let the peoples tremble!
      He sits enthroned upon the cherubim; let the earth quake!
      2 The Lord is great in Zion;
      he is exalted over all the peoples.
      3 Let them praise your great and awesome name!
      Holy is he!
      4 The King in his might loves justice.[a]
      You have established equity;
      you have executed justice
      and righteousness in Jacob.
      5 Exalt the Lord our God;
      worship at his footstool!
      Holy is he!
      6 Moses and Aaron were among his priests,
      Samuel also was among those who called upon his name.
      They called to the Lord, and he answered them.
      7 In the pillar of the cloud he spoke to them;
      they kept his testimonies
      and the statute that he gave them.
      8 O Lord our God, you answered them;
      you were a forgiving God to them,
      but an avenger of their wrongdoings.
      9 Exalt the Lord our God,
      and worship at his holy mountain;
      for the Lord our God is holy!


      Personally I disagree vehemently with the statement below.


      "Now, we do make decisions as to daily life here on earth. Each decision is by God's ordained will, meaning God gives a "yes" to our decisions...even the evil ones."

      Yeshayahu (isaiah 55
      "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the LORD.
      Pray tell, how does this even relate to what I asked?

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      Quote Originally Posted by TangledWeb View Post
      Pray tell, how does this even relate to what I asked?
      I was responding specifically to another poster and not addressing your question.

      You asked when a believer has their name written in the book of Life correct?
      If so,
      I believe each person's faith is authored with the Will of the Father that they do good. And the torah (law is trangessed both intentionally and unintentionally in the course of persons life.
      The good news is that there is One who is blameless, the Lamb of God. Whom I personally will boast before all men and women.

      And as Paul taught, confess and believe that Yeshua (jesus was crucified and is resurrected in glory.
      1 corinthians 15

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      Quote Originally Posted by TangledWeb View Post
      Did God write our name's in the book of life when he predestined the believers?
      Yes, absolutely...

      and then when did he blot some out?
      Later, when they were older...

      Arsenios

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      Quote Originally Posted by Arsenios View Post
      Yes, absolutely...



      Later, when they were older...

      Arsenios
      I donít find that in Scripture Arsenios Can you point me to a specific verse or verses that deal with a believer being blotted out of the Book of Life.




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      "Therefore, having been justified by faith, [a]we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ Romans 5:1

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      Quote Originally Posted by RichWh1 View Post
      I don’t find that in Scripture Arsenios Can you point me to a specific verse or verses that deal with a believer being blotted out of the Book of Life.




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      Loss of Salvation?

      We must remain vigilant against sin to the end...

      Just as the Wise Thief gained Paradise at the end by turning to God,
      so can the Saint lose his Salvation at the end, should he turn from God...

      Nobody is so high and mighty that they cannot fall from Grace given...
      And no one is so hopelessly sinful that they cannot find Grace in God...

      Proof-texts??

      No thanks...

      Love your Tapatalk!

      My first reply was a jest... btw...

      Arsenios

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      Eternal life
      John 10:16 I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd.

      John 10:27*My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; 28*and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. 29*My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Fatherís hand.

      Those who fall away never belonged to Christ because He said
      47*Everyone who comes to Me and hears My words and acts on them, I will show you whom he is like: 48*he is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid a foundation on the rock; and when a flood occurred, the torrent burst against that house and could not shake it, because it had been well built.
      (Luke 6:47-48 )
      I see no verse stating that a believer can lose his/her salvation.

      I see security of the believer. I see protection for the believer. I see providence for the believer. However I donít see loss of salvation for the believer.




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      "Therefore, having been justified by faith, [a]we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ Romans 5:1

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      Choice we are given_ thus "Free Will" is implicitly given, even-when, it goes unsaid



      Matthew 25:33
      33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.


      Isaiah 40:31
      Ecclesiastes 3

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      Quote Originally Posted by pinacled View Post
      I was responding specifically to another poster and not addressing your question.

      You asked when a believer has their name written in the book of Life correct?
      If so,
      I believe each person's faith is authored with the Will of the Father that they do good. And the torah (law is trangessed both intentionally and unintentionally in the course of persons life.
      The good news is that there is One who is blameless, the Lamb of God. Whom I personally will boast before all men and women.

      And as Paul taught, confess and believe that Yeshua (jesus was crucified and is resurrected in glory.
      1 corinthians 15
      ,Perhaps, we all read the same words 'differently'

      It is the claim that the self appointed apostle Paul was visited by Jesus.
      Even if that were true, Paul, from his writings, doesn't appear to know Jesus.
      It doesn't appear that he knows the gospels, either, the ones dubbed John, Matthew, Luke and Mark.

      Here is a big example.

      In 1 Corinthians 4:14-15 we see Paul refer to himself as a "father through the gospel".
      What gospel would that be, his letters, the tanakh?
      In Matthew 23:9 Jesus is reported to give a warning. To "call no man father for there is only one father and that's God."

      Paul talks as one who had heard the religion and became "saved" but doesn't have the context that the Jesus appointed apostles had from walking with Jesus.
      Paul was even said to have "sharp disagreement" with the apostles. Acts 15:36-37.
      I can only speculate what that disagreement might have been but we know Paul was prepared to his grace through belief, a salvation for the gentiles outside the law.
      Paul is missing the greatest commandment and even the golden rule, doesn't really understand the core message of love that Jesus exemplified through all words and actions.

      In 1 Corinthians 5:11 Paul says not even to associate with sinners which is in stark contrast to the Jesus
      "he without sin cast the first stone" and the Jesus who ate with sinners. Mark 2:13-17.

      Too many red flags from Paul in my view. ?


      I read elsewhere_ that Paul, did not actually exist, but was 'invented' so to form a bridge between related / unrelated texts (?)
      That similar ADDS, were applied to other 'biblical characters', within the Christian Bible


      dave
      Isaiah 40:31
      Ecclesiastes 3

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