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    Christian Theology - Thread: When is our name written in the book of life?

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      When is our name written in the book of life?

      Did God write our name's in the book of life when he predestined the believers and then when did he blot some out?

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      I leave this largely up to mystery....

      But I think there is a sense in which our names were written before the universe was created.... BUT that does not mean that ERGO we are justified since thing (justification applies to each when faith is given to us)... and I would not insist that WE cannot remove our name from that list (even if tempoarily).... I suspect there is SOME sense that we can wreck our faith even if we cannot cause our faith (as one put it, "I cannot give myself life but I can end it"). But I think this whole "Book of Life" thing is Gospel - and needs to be presented as such, not twisted into Law and fear. It is good to know my name is there..... there is a place card on the banquet table of heaven that has my name on it - Soli Deo Gloria.
      We are justified by works - just not our own.

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      I'm guessing it happened before the world was created and yeah just looked it up and it was before the foundations of the world so there's that. About your other question could it be when man rejects God that he gets scratched out since nothing can pluck a man from God's hand even though a man can jump out and fall away.
      If you want to rile people up then go to a Christian site and give God ALL the glory for your salvation.

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      God exists out of time. He is not bound within it since time itself is a creation of God's doing.
      Therefore, when scripture says we have been chosen from before the foundation of the world, I accept it as factual.
      God sees all things as happening at once. The fall of Adam, the parting of the Red Sea, the Cross, this very moment...they all happen simultaneously with God because He exists outside of time. The closest, flawed, analogy is that of viewing a parade from a Blimp. You can see the beginning and end of the parade all at once from your point of view. God sees it all happening at once.
      Therefore, I consider that the Book of Life has always been written down from God's perspective. There are no surprises, no last second changes from God's point of view. Our view, on the other hand, is very narrow and we cannot see what God sees. We must live by faith, not by sight.
      God knows. I am content in this truth. He will do what is right and good.

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      However, does it not say that we can be blotted out? I guess free will has something to do with it after all
      Isaiah 40:31

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      Quote Originally Posted by psalms 91 View Post
      However, does it not say that we can be blotted out? I guess free will has something to do with it after all

      IMO, our "free will" has nothing to do with our being GIVEN life. But yes, I suspect it is at least theoretically possible that we can wreck our faith and THUS end our justification (some uber-Calvinists will disagree with me on that point). Similarly, I didn't "chose" to be given physical life... but I can terminate it?
      We are justified by works - just not our own.

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      Quote Originally Posted by psalms 91 View Post
      However, does it not say that we can be blotted out? I guess free will has something to do with it after all
      What scripture passage are you thinking of?

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      Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
      What scripture passage are you thinking of?
      Did your question refer to the blotting out or the free will because I thought the blotting out was in Revelation but I think it has more to do with Psalm 69:28 even though it does not state that God will blot out it is a wish by the psalmist.

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      Quote Originally Posted by TangledWeb View Post
      Did your question refer to the blotting out or the free will because I thought the blotting out was in Revelation but I think it has more to do with Psalm 69:28 even though it does not state that God will blot out it is a wish by the psalmist.
      Blotting out.

      I'm not sure one can say that God blots out people's names from this passage. Certainly it was the prayer of the Psalmist toward those who mistreated him.

      Psalms 69:17-30
      [17]Donít hide from your servant; answer me quickly, for I am in deep trouble!
      [18]Come and redeem me; free me from my enemies.
      [19]You know of my shame, scorn, and disgrace. You see all that my enemies are doing.
      [20]Their insults have broken my heart, and I am in despair. If only one person would show some pity; if only one would turn and comfort me.
      [21]But instead, they give me poison for food; they offer me sour wine for my thirst.
      [22]Let the bountiful table set before them become a snare and their prosperity become a trap.
      [23]Let their eyes go blind so they cannot see, and make their bodies shake continually.
      [24]Pour out your fury on them; consume them with your burning anger.
      [25]Let their homes become desolate and their tents be deserted.
      [26]To the one you have punished, they add insult to injury; they add to the pain of those you have hurt.
      [27]Pile their sins up high, and donít let them go free.
      [28]Erase their names from the Book of Life; donít let them be counted among the righteous.
      [29]I am suffering and in pain. Rescue me, O God, by your saving power.
      [30]Then I will praise Godís name with singing, and I will honor him with thanksgiving.
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      Quote Originally Posted by TangledWeb View Post
      Did your question refer to the blotting out or the free will because I thought the blotting out was in Revelation but I think it has more to do with Psalm 69:28 even though it does not state that God will blot out it is a wish by the psalmist.
      The blotting out is a wish for the enemies of the psalmist. In previous words he asks God to deliver him and protect him, not have his name blotted out, rather to have those of his enemies blotted out.

      As to one who trusts in God that person is secure in the shadow of His wing.
      The believers are secure in Christ and what He did for us.




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      "Therefore, having been justified by faith, [a]we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ Romans 5:1

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