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    Ethics & Debate Center - Thread: Common Figure of Speech?

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      This is the second Post in a series of three, investigating the number of days that transpired between Jesus’ burial and resurrection. I.e. for how many days was He actually buried?

      Let’s look at the second aspect to be considered.

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      Could the chief priests and Pharisees count or not?

      The chief priests and Pharisees were educated men. We can assume they could count. So what was recorded in Matthew 27:62-64?:
      62 Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,
      63 Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again.
      64 Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the people, He is risen from the dead: so the last error shall be worse than the first.


      We see here that "after three days" (quoting Jesus in Mark 8:31) means the same as "the third day" in Jewish vernacular thought patterns.

      So does that mean that "after three days" actually means "the third day", or "the third day" actually mean "after three days"?

      We are told that the former is what we must understand – that "after three days" actually means "the third day". The contrived reasoning upon which that proposition is based, in its all-inclusive form, can be summarised thus:
      - The same time period can be referred to as both "three days" and "three days and three nights";
      - Therefore "three days and three nights" actually means "three days";
      - The term "days" includes part days;
      - Therefore "three days and three nights"actually means one full day and two part days;
      - And "the third day" refers to the second part day;
      - And also, "after three days" means "some time after that part of the second part day being referred to".

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      Some obvious problems with that approach are:
      - The meaning of "days" in "three days and three nights" is "daylight hours";
      - The meaning of "days" in "three days" is "whole days" or "whole days surrounded by part days";
      - Therefore, the term "three days and three nights" defines a specific time period;
      .. - Unless it means "one full day and one full night and two part days and two part nights, or a convenient combination to suit an arguement;
      - If "the third day" means a part day, until what hour of that part day was Pilate supposed to guard the tomb?;
      - And why only until then, when both Jesus and the requesters said He would rise after that time?

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      We thus see exposed the inbuilt illogicality of the “traditional” reasoning invoked to support the Friday-Sunday timeline.


      But that’s not all! The timeline as recorded in the Scriptures themselves, is patently revealing. We’ll see that next time.


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      Seeking to understand with precision, God's holy and coherent revelation to us.

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      Pedrito,
      "We thus see exposed the inbuilt illogicality of the 'traditional' reasoning invoked to support the Friday-Sunday timeline."

      Is this your way of saying that you don't believe in a 6th day of the week crucifixion?

      And the rest of your post deals with issues for a different topic. Perhaps you could start one.

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      So far no examples have been provided, but maybe someone new looking in might know of some.

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      You might want to explore the high sabbeth that occurs because of Passover to resolve the issue
      Isaiah 40:31

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      psalms91,
      re: "You might want to explore the high sabbeth that occurs because of Passover to resolve the issue"

      You didn't address your post to anyone, but if it's intended for me I'm afraid I don't see how the high sabbeth during Passover provides the issue of examples which show actual instances where a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could have occurred. I wonder if you might explain why you think that it does?

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      Simple the high sabbeth would be a second sabbeth that week and would explain the discrepancy very nicely
      Isaiah 40:31

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      Quote Originally Posted by rstrats View Post
      Albion,
      re: "Excuse me, but it is about speculation over the day on which Our Lord rose from the grave."

      And again, that is not what it is about. It's about providing examples which show that it was common to forecast or say that a daytime or a night time would be or was involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could occur.



      re: "What you want to bring in is the reasoning given by one side of the argument..."

      That is incorrect. I'm merely looking for actual examples which show that it was common to forecast or say that a daytime or a night time would be or was involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could occur.

      Is the quote function as it works on this forum something you are having trouble using?

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      psalms 91,

      re: "Simple the high sabbeth would be a second sabbeth that week and would explain the discrepancy very nicely"

      Indeed, but that's an issue for a different topic.

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      Albion,
      re: "Is the quote function as it works on this forum something you are having trouble using?"

      It seems simple enough, but for some reason that I can't quite put my finger on, I prefer not to. Kinda like for some reason folks here prefer not to be responsive to the request in the OP in favor of other issues.

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      Very well. I thought that you might actually be having a problem with the mechanics of it. The current style does tend to complicate things for the reader, just as in the case of another regular poster here who usually wins up confusing everyone or putting them off, in part because his style is similarly awkward.

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