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      Pope Francis tells gay man: 'God made you like that and loves you like that'

      Pope Francis tells gay man: 'God made you like that and loves you like that'

      What do you think of the Pope's comments to the man?

      Describing his encounter with the Pope to CNN, Cruz said: "You know Juan Carlos, that does not matter. God made you like this. God loves you like this. The Pope loves you like this and you should love yourself and not worry about what people say."
      The Pope's words amount to a significant departure from the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church, which considers homosexuality "objectively disordered" and contrary to God's law.
      "Christianity does not require more work but more trust." Pr. Jonathan Fisk
      "Bearing fruit does not make you a branch. A branch is a branch because it grows from the vine." Pr. Jonathan Fisk
      "A Christian's life is not defined by what the Christian does. It is defined by Christ and what He has done for us." Pr. Rolf David Preus

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      I believe God does love him but I also believe that it is a sin and he needs to repent of this.
      Isaiah 40:31

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      Do you think he was accurate in telling him God made him that way?
      "Christianity does not require more work but more trust." Pr. Jonathan Fisk
      "Bearing fruit does not make you a branch. A branch is a branch because it grows from the vine." Pr. Jonathan Fisk
      "A Christian's life is not defined by what the Christian does. It is defined by Christ and what He has done for us." Pr. Rolf David Preus

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      No I dont and I know I will get pushback on that but it is what I believe
      Isaiah 40:31

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      I think this is a classic case where balance is needed.

      There isn't a single verse in Scripture that says it's a sin to be gay. Being gay is arguably little more than having a set of desires that are different from the majority and those desires, in and of themselves, are not sinful - aside from the object of the desire they are fundamentally no different to my desires for women other than my wife.

      What Scripture does prohibit is homosexual activity - "you shall not lie with a man as one lies with a woman" for example. And it's not a huge leap of reasoning to figure that what Jesus said about looking upon a woman with lust would apply equally to a man looking upon another man with lust. But there's a big difference between noticing someone and finding them attractive, and lusting after them.

      Jesus said to the woman caught in adultery - "neither do I condemn you, go and sin no more". The two halves come together perfectly, and so often these days we drop whichever half suits our leanings. Some focus on the "neither do I condemn you" as if to say that anything is good, there's no more condemnation and you're fine. That misses the point of "go and sin no more" - the message is clear - stop doing it. Others focus on the "go and sin no more" as if the best way to get people into the kingdom is to pile condemnation upon them until they stop sinning. This also misses the point of "neither do I condemn you".

      So many people seem to think that homosexuality is some kind of special sin in a league all on its own. You know, I might commit the odd transgression but nothing too serious.... certainly nothing like those nasty icky gay people who do, well, you know, that. But, as Jesus said, "let him without sin cast the first stone". I suspect if the person facing stoning today were a homosexual and the church were faced with Jesus' challenge, most of us would probably mumble and mutter and head home.
      "Do what thou will shall be the whole of the law" - Aleister Crowley

      "If you love me, obey my commandments" - Jesus Christ

      The Bible comes as a complete package. If we want to pluck verses out of context so make them mean what we want them to mean, if we want to ignore the passages that are inconvenient to our outlook, we should be intellectually honest enough to throw our Bibles in the trash and admit we are following Crowley and not Christ.

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      Quote Originally Posted by tango View Post
      I think this is a classic case where balance is needed.

      There isn't a single verse in Scripture that says it's a sin to be gay. Being gay is arguably little more than having a set of desires that are different from the majority and those desires, in and of themselves, are not sinful - aside from the object of the desire they are fundamentally no different to my desires for women other than my wife.

      What Scripture does prohibit is homosexual activity - "you shall not lie with a man as one lies with a woman" for example. And it's not a huge leap of reasoning to figure that what Jesus said about looking upon a woman with lust would apply equally to a man looking upon another man with lust. But there's a big difference between noticing someone and finding them attractive, and lusting after them.

      Jesus said to the woman caught in adultery - "neither do I condemn you, go and sin no more". The two halves come together perfectly, and so often these days we drop whichever half suits our leanings. Some focus on the "neither do I condemn you" as if to say that anything is good, there's no more condemnation and you're fine. That misses the point of "go and sin no more" - the message is clear - stop doing it. Others focus on the "go and sin no more" as if the best way to get people into the kingdom is to pile condemnation upon them until they stop sinning. This also misses the point of "neither do I condemn you".

      So many people seem to think that homosexuality is some kind of special sin in a league all on its own. You know, I might commit the odd transgression but nothing too serious.... certainly nothing like those nasty icky gay people who do, well, you know, that. But, as Jesus said, "let him without sin cast the first stone". I suspect if the person facing stoning today were a homosexual and the church were faced with Jesus' challenge, most of us would probably mumble and mutter and head home.
      Excellent post, expresses my thoughts well
      Isaiah 40:31

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      The question I asked isn't whether it's a sin. It's whether God created the man like that or not?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Lämmchen View Post
      The question I asked isn't whether it's a sin. It's whether God created the man like that or not?
      I guess that would depend on whether you believe homosexual desires are a result of nature or nurture. As best as I can tell, on the basis of anecdata based on a few people I know, I think it's a bit of both.

      I know a couple of guys who thought they were gay in their teenage years but later came to realise it was little more than looking up to an older person as a role model. Had they been teenagers 20 years later they would probably have been pushed into the gay scene and may never have realised what they were experiencing wasn't homosexual desire. I also know a woman who spent years desperately wishing she could find boys attractive and eventually concluded that she's just into other girls, and now appears happy with a female partner.

      I think the question "did God make a person this way?" is something that invites all sorts of speculation because if you answer one way it opens up the question of God's sovereignty and if you answer the other way it opens up the question of God's goodness. If God made someone who can only express sexual love by sinning, it invites questions as to what kind of good and loving God would create someone with such strong desires that could never be expressed. If God didn't make them that way we have to wonder who or what did.
      "Do what thou will shall be the whole of the law" - Aleister Crowley

      "If you love me, obey my commandments" - Jesus Christ

      The Bible comes as a complete package. If we want to pluck verses out of context so make them mean what we want them to mean, if we want to ignore the passages that are inconvenient to our outlook, we should be intellectually honest enough to throw our Bibles in the trash and admit we are following Crowley and not Christ.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Lämmchen View Post
      Pope Francis tells gay man: 'God made you like that and loves you like that'

      What do you think of the Pope's comments to the man?
      Yes, God is a God of love, but He is also a holy God. This pope seems to have forgotten that.

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      I think the Pope is 100% right and it is NOT a sin. The old time Bible is wrong. More and more priests and holy people are thinking like the pope. It's time others start looking at this issue more carefully and stop their condemnation of the LGTBQ! This kind of behavior that the gay have has been going on long before the Bible or Church existed and is normal.

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