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    Christian Theology - Thread: Justification - Part 2

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      Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
      Not everyone, DHoffman. There is a big butt, added by some.
      Sometimes you just have to let it go, Menno...
      Overcoming Obsession is a good thing...
      Your "Big Butt" Obsession kinda stinks...

      Jes' sayin'!!

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      Quote Originally Posted by Arsenios View Post
      Why do you need to repent?

      Do you not have Christ in you?
      Are you not fully Justified?
      Is there anything more sanctified than Christ IN you?

      What is your goal, your purpose, in repenting from sin?

      Or...

      Why does God have you repenting now?

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      All the saints (that is all who have been redeemed) have need of turning from sin toward God. Read about the remarkable repentance of the believers in Thessalonica found in 1 Thessalonians 1. These believers were not commended for their great repentance while still pagans. They were commended for their repentance as saints of God.
      We, who are redeemed, have a position before God that is found holy...in Christ, but we still live in this body of sin as corrupted sinners. God is continually sanctifying us and making us in His image. He is continually confronting our natural tendency to control our destiny and do our own bidding rather than our Father's bidding. We are continually evaluating and repenting when necessary. Such is the life of the saint who lives in this body of sin.
      Read Romans 7 & 8 if this is confusing to you.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Arsenios View Post
      The only way to actually PROVE Scripture is in your own body...

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      What? No!

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      Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
      What? No!
      YUP... The Gospel is proven in your own flesh...

      YOU are to MORTIFY your fleshy members...

      You are to SUBJUGATE your flesh so that it no longer rules your spirit,
      but your spirit in obedience to the Holy Spirit rules your flesh...

      Your Old Man needs to be overcome and put to death...
      The Old Man is ruled by fear of pain and death and love of the flesh...
      Christians are ruled by the Love of God in obedience to Christ...

      No IFs, ANDs or BUTs!!!

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      Quote Originally Posted by Arsenios View Post
      YUP... The Gospel is proven in your own flesh...

      YOU are to MORTIFY your fleshy members...

      You are to SUBJUGATE your flesh so that it no longer rules your spirit,
      but your spirit in obedience to the Holy Spirit rules your flesh...

      Your Old Man needs to be overcome and put to death...
      The Old Man is ruled by fear of pain and death and love of the flesh...
      Christians are ruled by the Love of God in obedience to Christ...

      No IFs, ANDs or BUTs!!!

      Arsenios
      Sanctification, not Justification. Perhaps it's hard for you to grasp the difference.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
      All the saints (that is all who have been redeemed) have need of turning from sin toward God. Read about the remarkable repentance of the believers in Thessalonica found in 1 Thessalonians 1. These believers were not commended for their great repentance while still pagans. They were commended for their repentance as saints of God.
      We, who are redeemed, have a position before God that is found holy...in Christ, but we still live in this body of sin as corrupted sinners. God is continually sanctifying us and making us in His image. He is continually confronting our natural tendency to control our destiny and do our own bidding rather than our Father's bidding. We are continually evaluating and repenting when necessary. Such is the life of the saint who lives in this body of sin.
      Read Romans 7 & 8 if this is confusing to you.
      Why are YOU repenting?

      I mean, I get mad and flip off a bad driver on the road and yell unseemly things at her... Perhaps suggesting certain facts not necessarily in evidence about her ancestors or thereabouts...

      Now in your view, I am in a POSITION of Holiness before God...
      And I have just WALKED outside this POSITION... Yes?

      So what do I now need to do and why?

      Arsenios

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      Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
      Sanctification, not Justification. Perhaps it's hard for you to grasp the difference.
      So which which is which?

      Saying so don't make it so...

      Gotta show so...

      Perhaps it's hard for you to show the difference???

      Arsenios

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      Quote Originally Posted by Arsenios View Post
      So which which is which?

      Saying so don't make it so...

      Gotta show so...

      Perhaps it's hard for you to show the difference???

      Arsenios
      Justification is a one time act. Sanctification is a progressive process
      So I would assume that justification comes first.



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      "Therefore, having been justified by faith, [a]we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ Romans 5:1

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      Quote Originally Posted by RichWh1 View Post
      Justification is a one time act.
      If we are made totally right with God instantly once for all time, then we cannot sin...

      Because sin is not right with God...

      This Faith is an ongoing and lifetime struggle in this fallen human condition...

      That struggle is willful...

      God works on us through our struggle...

      But what I was asking Menno was to show HOW my post was about Sanctificaton and not Justification...

      I mean, when we are Baptized INTO Christ, we are Saved, we are Justified, and we are Sanctified...

      And then we have our first secular/carnal thought after that event...

      And the struggle is engaged...

      One is never more pure nor more holy than when one emerges from the Baptismal Waters of Regeneration...

      Not all retain it...

      But keeping that purity and sanctity is the Path of Salvation after Baptism...

      And it is discipled by the Church...

      Arsenios

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      Arsenios

      Being justified does not mean that we are now sinless.
      Sin has no bearing on our justification since we are justified by our faith.
      We remain sinners after justification takes place, sanctification comes as a result of justification.
      Our faith justifies us; our works sanctify us.




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      "Therefore, having been justified by faith, [a]we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ Romans 5:1

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