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  • View Poll Results: Gambling is a sin

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    Christian Theology - Thread: Gambling Sin or not?

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      Gambling Sin or not?

      I was at a gas station today and the two people in front of me both bought scratch off cards that you can buy for a dollar. I think one of the guys actually won two dollars and used his two dollars to buy two more cards. Sometimes the lottery winning can be huge, but to my limited knowledge it isn't that big right now.

      Do you think it is a sin to gamble? When do it cross that line or does it? Please use scripture to back up what your saying

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      Quote Originally Posted by jsimms435 View Post
      I was at a gas station today and the two people in front of me both bought scratch off cards that you can buy for a dollar. I think one of the guys actually won two dollars and used his two dollars to buy two more cards. Sometimes the lottery winning can be huge, but to my limited knowledge it isn't that big right now.

      Do you think it is a sin to gamble? When do it cross that line or does it? Please use scripture to back up what your saying
      I don't think it's a sin to gamble. That's not something that really warrants an appeal to Scripture because there are all sorts of things that don't get a mention worthy of the name in Scripture. It's not a sin to wear a blue shirt with green pants on a Thursday but there's nothing in Scripture that explicitly permits it.

      If gambling becomes a problem, if you start gambling the money you need to pay your rent/mortgage/bills etc then I can see it becoming sinful on the basis that it could have become an idol.

      Based on pure probability the powerball is generally not worth playing. Even when the jackpot was $1.5bn the odds against winning were such that it was borderline worthwhile.

      If you bet $1 on a scratch card and use your winnings to buy more scratch cards until either your money is gone or you hit a big win I don't see a problem. If you win $5 and buy five more cards, and keep going until you've bought dozens and dozens of cards with your winnings, you still only put $1 on the table to play.
      "Do what thou will shall be the whole of the law" - Aleister Crowley

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      The Bible comes as a complete package. If we want to pluck verses out of context so make them mean what we want them to mean, if we want to ignore the passages that are inconvenient to our outlook, we should be intellectually honest enough to throw our Bibles in the trash and admit we are following Crowley and not Christ.

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      Quote Originally Posted by tango View Post
      I don't think it's a sin to gamble. That's not something that really warrants an appeal to Scripture because there are all sorts of things that don't get a mention worthy of the name in Scripture. It's not a sin to wear a blue shirt with green pants on a Thursday but there's nothing in Scripture that explicitly permits it.

      If gambling becomes a problem, if you start gambling the money you need to pay your rent/mortgage/bills etc then I can see it becoming sinful on the basis that it could have become an idol.

      Based on pure probability the powerball is generally not worth playing. Even when the jackpot was $1.5bn the odds against winning were such that it was borderline worthwhile.

      If you bet $1 on a scratch card and use your winnings to buy more scratch cards until either your money is gone or you hit a big win I don't see a problem. If you win $5 and buy five more cards, and keep going until you've bought dozens and dozens of cards with your winnings, you still only put $1 on the table to play.
      I see it as an issue of stewardship. I believe the things that God has given me he expects me to use in a way that would glorify and honor him. If I am spending large sums of money on something that ultimately I lose then that isn't good stewardship. And while it may make me feel like i am gaining something if I win a dollar or two here and there that is part of the hook of gambling. Casinos don't run to lose money.

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      Quote Originally Posted by jsimms435 View Post
      I was at a gas station today and the two people in front of me both bought scratch off cards that you can buy for a dollar. I think one of the guys actually won two dollars and used his two dollars to buy two more cards. Sometimes the lottery winning can be huge, but to my limited knowledge it isn't that big right now.

      Do you think it is a sin to gamble? When do it cross that line or does it? Please use scripture to back up what your saying
      Do you play the stock market...?

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      Quote Originally Posted by jsimms435 View Post
      I see it as an issue of stewardship. I believe the things that God has given me he expects me to use in a way that would glorify and honor him. If I am spending large sums of money on something that ultimately I lose then that isn't good stewardship. And while it may make me feel like i am gaining something if I win a dollar or two here and there that is part of the hook of gambling. Casinos don't run to lose money.
      Sure, but now you've shifted from spending a couple of bucks on scratchcards to spending "large sums of money". What counts as "large" depends on your budget.

      If you spend $100 on going out for dinner and a movie is that bad stewardship? If not, how is it any different to spending $100 on an evening at the casino?
      "Do what thou will shall be the whole of the law" - Aleister Crowley

      "If you love me, obey my commandments" - Jesus Christ

      The Bible comes as a complete package. If we want to pluck verses out of context so make them mean what we want them to mean, if we want to ignore the passages that are inconvenient to our outlook, we should be intellectually honest enough to throw our Bibles in the trash and admit we are following Crowley and not Christ.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
      Do you play the stock market...?
      Not a good comparison because there are ways to analyse the stock market so it isn't merely a matter of guesswork.

      If you bet on red and the result comes up black you lose right away. It usually takes years of managerial ineptitude to achieve the same result.
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      Quote Originally Posted by jsimms435 View Post
      I see it as an issue of stewardship. I believe the things that God has given me he expects me to use in a way that would glorify and honor him. If I am spending large sums of money on something that ultimately I lose then that isn't good stewardship. And while it may make me feel like i am gaining something if I win a dollar or two here and there that is part of the hook of gambling. Casinos don't run to lose money.
      If you invest in stocks, do you carefully make sure each company is ethically treating its customers and employees as God would want them to?
      My point is that we extend grace because we all make bad decisions. If we have a chance to counsel on wise investment then great, but otherwise it's between that person and God.

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      Quote Originally Posted by tango View Post
      Not a good comparison because there are ways to analyse the stock market so it isn't merely a matter of guesswork.

      If you bet on red and the result comes up black you lose right away. It usually takes years of managerial ineptitude to achieve the same result.
      It's still a gamble. How much did your portfolio drop in 2008?

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      Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
      It's still a gamble. How much did your portfolio drop in 2008?
      It's not a gamble, it's more a calculated risk.

      If you spin the roulette wheel there's no way of knowing ahead of time where the ball will land. If you do a little research into stocks and companies you can at least have an idea of which ones are more likely to do well.
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      I don't think it is a sin PER SE

      BUT it is an issue of stewardship. We are to be good stewards of all the gifts (physical and spiritual) that God gives.

      IMO, good stewardship does not preclude a certain amount for entertainment, where such disposable income is possible. Now... as it can be afforded.... I will spend $50.00 on a Theatre ticket... The same for a nice dinner... perhaps close to that for a baseball game. I spend $60.00 each month for the annual pass to the Disneyland Resort in Anaheim for the two of us. Some may find all that .... of little value and not their choice. They may spend that money at a Casino, which to them is more fun and better entertainment. Different strokes for different folks. The important thing is that this is money that can be afforded and is a part of well controlled and thoughtful stewardship.



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