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    Christian Theology - Thread: Did the Pope speak the truth?

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      Quote Originally Posted by jsimms435 View Post
      I am assume they are the same except for Trump's tendency to the sleeping around with porn stars and his cursing like a sailor and lying and name calling and everything else. . . .
      Wow. Even a thread that is explicitly about the Pope has to be turned into one more anti-Trump rant.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Albion View Post
      Wow. Even a thread that is explicitly about the Pope has to be turned into one more anti-Trump rant.
      Surprised? Is there anything there thats not factual?
      Isaiah 40:31

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      Quote Originally Posted by Albion View Post
      Wow. Even a thread that is explicitly about the Pope has to be turned into one more anti-Trump rant.
      It's actually about the theology proposed by the pope that states:
      1) an atheist is good because he had his children baptized.
      2) God sees the man as good, even though he had no faith.
      3) God receives the man into heaven because the goodness of his actions in baptizing his children outweigh any bad the man had done.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
      It's actually about the theology proposed by the pope that states:
      1) an atheist is good because he had his children baptized.
      2) God sees the man as good, even though he had no faith.
      3) God receives the man into heaven because the goodness of his actions in baptizing his children outweigh any bad the man had done.
      So you are passing judgment on his soul as our merciful God himself? Is that justified by scripture to disagree with what that Pope told the baptised (by his father) child? Many call themselves Christiana but is that true in THEIR heart? Same goes with Atheist. Any thing with salvation of others done in ones part in the name of Jesus is not against Christ nor his Father.

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      Quote Originally Posted by DHoffmann View Post
      So you are passing judgment on his soul as our merciful God himself? Is that justified by scripture to disagree with what that Pope told the baptised (by his father) child? Many call themselves Christiana but is that true in THEIR heart? Same goes with Atheist. Any thing with salvation of others done in ones part in the name of Jesus is not against Christ nor his Father.

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      Hoffman, re-read what I said and get off your faux soapbox.
      Does an atheist believe in God? What does God say about the one who says there is no God?
      Do you agree with the Pope's statement that a human is good because they have their children baptized in the Roman church? Does having a child baptized overrule all other actions a person does? Does God adopt a person by the weight of their good works as opposed to their bad works? What scripture do you use to make your case? This is a theology forum. Use theology to make your case.
      Last edited by MennoSota; 04-23-2018 at 05:17 PM.

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      Quote Originally Posted by psalms 91 View Post
      Surprised? Is there anything there thats not factual?
      Yes indeed. But that isn't the point. The HateTrump campaign ought at least to be confined to threads that are ABOUT that subject. Should we have to deal with the sour grapes from November 2016 every time someone feels like inserting such into any thread, even if it is clearly offtopic?

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      Your right, back to topic then
      Isaiah 40:31

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      Quote Originally Posted by jsimms435 View Post
      I don't really want this to turn into a bash the Catholic thread. Obviously there are important and significant differences between Protestants and Catholics. The Pope has obviously good intentions towards this little boy, but was horribly wrong in his conclusion. The Bible doesn't call this father "good", it calls him spiritually dead in his trespasses and sins unless on his deathbed he repented.
      This is uncalled for.

      How does one conflate lack of belief with knowing unbelief?

      They are very different.

      One who hasn't heard to the point of believing is not damned to eternal destruction, but is wieghed against their words and actions in this life; as all are. Self proclaimed Christian's will be weighed more strictly than those who have never claimed such a state or closeness to GOD.



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      Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
      Hoffman, re-read what I said and get off your faux soapbox.
      Does an atheist believe in God? What does God say about the one who says there is no God?
      Do you agree with the Pope's statement that a human is good because they have their children baptized in the Roman church? Does having a child baptized overrule all other actions a person does? Does God adopt a person by the weight of their good works as opposed to their bad works? What scripture do you use to make your case? This is a theology forum. Use theology to make your case.
      That atheist will be judged at the white throne of God, God will determine his faith and his fate not us. Why would an Atheist baptize a child unless their was some truth to it? I don't presume damnation of anyone, it's not our decision, thats my point.

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      Quote Originally Posted by DHoffmann View Post
      That atheist will be judged at the white throne of God, God will determine his faith and his fate not us. Why would an Atheist baptize a child unless their was some truth to it? I don't presume damnation of anyone, it's not our decision, thats my point.

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      Why? Because his wife or family were Roman catholic and he chose to appease them. I know many people who do things out of family pressure and not out of personal faith.
      Second, I am not presuming. I am stating that it is deceptive to tell the child that God thought his dad was good and therefore the child's dad will be in heaven. The Pope doesn't know that. Secondly, the Bible doesn't back up the Pope at all.
      What does scripture tell us about God and his means of reconciliation?

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