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    World Religion & Speculative Theology - Thread: There really are Protestants who say "The Bible is God"

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      Quote Originally Posted by hedrick View Post
      Calvin saw an analogy between the Incarnation and Scripture. Scripture is a human work, but it is also God's word. When properly used, the analogy can actually be helpful. But this seems to be pushing it further, to say that the Bible is the inliberation of the Logos, the Word made book. While I'm not aware of any historical heresy that quite matches this, it seems to me that a second physical form of the Word contradicts the uniqueness of the Incarnation, and should properly be considered a form of idolatry. I'm tempted to call this the pumpkinification of Scripture.
      I could not find a definition for "inliberation".
      Pope Gregory I was well known for his alms to the poor, and he gave quite generously of the riches donated to the Church by the wealthy people of Rome. Everything from money to land was given to the poor in some fashion. He made clear to his subordinates that their duty was to relieve the distress faced by the poor.

      He ordered his clergy to go out into the streets to find and care for the poor in person.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Cassia View Post
      The bible is the only record of God in the whole universe.
      Where does holy scripture say that?
      Pope Gregory I was well known for his alms to the poor, and he gave quite generously of the riches donated to the Church by the wealthy people of Rome. Everything from money to land was given to the poor in some fashion. He made clear to his subordinates that their duty was to relieve the distress faced by the poor.

      He ordered his clergy to go out into the streets to find and care for the poor in person.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Cassia View Post
      And we're told to be relationally-one with Him. How is that possible w/o the bible? In knowing who God is one must study the bible to find out ... simply because that information is nowhere else to be found
      Eve and Adam managed to know God without a bible so did Abram/Abraham and Isaac and Jacob/Israel and all the generations from Adam until Moses.
      Pope Gregory I was well known for his alms to the poor, and he gave quite generously of the riches donated to the Church by the wealthy people of Rome. Everything from money to land was given to the poor in some fashion. He made clear to his subordinates that their duty was to relieve the distress faced by the poor.

      He ordered his clergy to go out into the streets to find and care for the poor in person.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Cassia View Post
      The bible is the only record of God in the whole universe. And we're told to be relationally-one with Him. How is that possible w/o the bible? In knowing who God is one must study the bible to find out ... simply because that information is nowhere else to be found.
      To avoid perversion of knowledge of who He is one must learn from His God-breathed revelation found in the Bible, essentially and foundationally, to have any intimate walk with God. The record that is in the Bible is the closest we will ever come to knowing who God is. Once known then His voice becomes unmistakable, yet intrically tied to the biblical message.
      Then ours becomes one more of the human recordings of relationships with God that began it's recordings in the Bible. From visable to invisable is seen in the upside down Kingdom of our Lord Jesus as He comes forth from the unseen to the seen, recorded biblically for us in types and shadows of God, hidden in Him, the Bible.
      Hypostasis as the essence of God, also being the definition of God, leaves the tracings of Him on Bible pages. His breath is that essence. Breath brings new life. But it is God who decides the one reading (or hearing) worthy to find Him there and whether to be uniquely tied with Him within that foundation.
      Quote Originally Posted by MoreCoffee View Post
      Eve and Adam managed to know God without a bible so did Abram/Abraham and Isaac and Jacob/Israel and all the generations from Adam until Moses.
      Faith is that which they were commended for that was the unseen, now we have the seen in Christ. Hebrews is explicate in saying that the things shown by prophets and multi ways is now seen only in Christ. Heb 1 and Heb 11. . But if faith comes from hearing and hearing from the word of God to produce new life, then what is the Father really saying other than to find Him we must do so in His word
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      Quote Originally Posted by Cassia View Post
      Faith is that which they were commended for that was the unseen, now we have the seen in Christ. Hebrews is explicate in saying that the things shown by prophets and multi ways is now seen only in Christ. Heb 1 and Heb 11. . But if faith comes from hearing and hearing from the word of God to produce new life, then what is the Father really saying other than to find Him we must do so in His word
      In so saying as a disclaimer I don't believe the bible to be God, but I believe it to be the only way to find God, whether the scriptures says He can be found in nature He cannot be understood by such. His purpose cannot be fathomed in following Him blindly either. Living waters are not found in just any well.
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      Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
      In the quote, did he say the letter is God?
      He said, "It is the very speech of God."
      The Bible is not God. We can agree on that. But, is it the word (speech) of God written down?
      He obviously didn't say that, my point is that it seems to me that someone is looking for an attention grabbing headline and then trying to explain that it is kinda-sorta-true because, well, you know, it kinda looks a little bit like the truth if you look at it this certain way.

      The idea that "his speech cannot be easily separated from his person" may have some validity but I don't think it does anything to support the idea that the speech is the person.

      Maybe we are in agreement on this - it looks like we both think the assertion "the Bible is God" is silly.
      "Do what thou will shall be the whole of the law" - Aleister Crowley

      "If you love me, obey my commandments" - Jesus Christ

      The Bible comes as a complete package. If we want to pluck verses out of context so make them mean what we want them to mean, if we want to ignore the passages that are inconvenient to our outlook, we should be intellectually honest enough to throw our Bibles in the trash and admit we are following Crowley and not Christ.

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      Quote Originally Posted by tango View Post
      He obviously didn't say that, my point is that it seems to me that someone is looking for an attention grabbing headline and then trying to explain that it is kinda-sorta-true because, well, you know, it kinda looks a little bit like the truth if you look at it this certain way.

      The idea that "his speech cannot be easily separated from his person" may have some validity but I don't think it does anything to support the idea that the speech is the person.

      Maybe we are in agreement on this - it looks like we both think the assertion "the Bible is God" is silly.
      Yes, we're in agreement. I think the writer of the post is having a hard time articulating how God's word is an expression of His being, but the writer has mispoke by stating that the Bible is God.

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      I'm in the discussion a bit there (under another name) and that appears to be so. The title appears to be an "attention grab", but not seriously reflecting the OP's pov. It seems hard for him to articulate, though
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      Quote Originally Posted by hedrick View Post
      Calvin saw an analogy between the Incarnation and Scripture. Scripture is a human work, but it is also God's word. When properly used, the analogy can actually be helpful. But this seems to be pushing it further, to say that the Bible is the inliberation of the Logos, the Word made book. While I'm not aware of any historical heresy that quite matches this, it seems to me that a second physical form of the Word contradicts the uniqueness of the Incarnation, and should properly be considered a form of idolatry. I'm tempted to call this the pumpkinification of Scripture.
      It seems to me that the 'incarnation' of the Word as the body of scripture, the Spoken Word, has been bodily (in book form) manifested as the fleshless and bodiless WORD of God. But when incarnation became flesh that which was seen and written preceeding His Incarnation have become the book of it's generation. The Holy Spirit speaks further to bring all, written and seen, together.
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      Quote Originally Posted by ImaginaryDay2 View Post
      This is the argument being used in the link to the other forum. And it should be rejected. The Word of God and the word of God need to be recognized as separate and distinct. Christ - the Word - was God made flesh. His word is truth, and those truths are contained in the word of God - the bible. Yet they are distinct and not on the same level. Elevating them is nowhere supported in that word, or by the Word.
      Well of course the bible is not God, sorry if I worded it wrong, whoever believes that the bible IS God has to be completely insane.

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