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    World Religion & Speculative Theology - Thread: Could it all be a fraud?

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      Could it all be a fraud?

      Who we think wrote this and that passage in the holy scriptures is based mainly on what the scriptures say themselves because external evidence about who wrote what is largely nonexistent for most of the bible. Is it possible that the whole thing is a fraud and that the books and parts of books were written long after the death of the alleged authors and the stories are largely edited and re-edited told and retold to make them sharper and better and more bullet proof (maybe without success)?
      Pope Gregory I was well known for his alms to the poor, and he gave quite generously of the riches donated to the Church by the wealthy people of Rome. Everything from money to land was given to the poor in some fashion. He made clear to his subordinates that their duty was to relieve the distress faced by the poor.

      He ordered his clergy to go out into the streets to find and care for the poor in person.

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      NO!
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      Quote Originally Posted by MoreCoffee View Post
      Who we think wrote this and that passage in the holy scriptures is based mainly on what the scriptures say themselves because external evidence about who wrote what is largely nonexistent for most of the bible. Is it possible that the whole thing is a fraud and that the books and parts of books were written long after the death of the alleged authors and the stories are largely edited and re-edited told and retold to make them sharper and better and more bullet proof (maybe without success)?
      Study textual criticism surrounding documents of antiquity and get back to us with the data.

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      Yes, it is possible that those who are said to be the authors are not. I'm not sure that it really matters to me. God's word is inspired, but he didn't fax it down to us. I am assuming that God can use anyone he wants however he wants

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      i recommend this book it details the importance of why some of the authors conflict or contradict eachother.
      Amazing apologist work here

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      It is possible, and has been weighed out by theologians and internet armchair theologians ad-nauseam (at times). John's Epistles come to mind as far as some of the disputed authorship as well as Hebrews. John's gospel has also been the source of some speculation, and has been posited that Lazarus was the true author based on loose mentions about the Disciple whom Jesus loved.
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      Quote Originally Posted by MoreCoffee View Post
      Who we think wrote this and that passage in the holy scriptures is based mainly on what the scriptures say themselves because external evidence about who wrote what is largely nonexistent for most of the bible. Is it possible that the whole thing is a fraud and that the books and parts of books were written long after the death of the alleged authors and the stories are largely edited and re-edited told and retold to make them sharper and better and more bullet proof (maybe without success)?

      Short answer: " No."

      Long answer: " See short answer."

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      Quote Originally Posted by ImaginaryDay2 View Post
      It is possible, and has been weighed out by theologians and internet armchair theologians ad-nauseam (at times). John's Epistles come to mind as far as some of the disputed authorship as well as Hebrews. John's gospel has also been the source of some speculation, and has been posited that Lazarus was the true author based on loose mentions about the Disciple whom Jesus loved.
      My question is not only about authorship but also about content. The authors of holy scripture may or may not be the people named in the books of the bible as authors. If the authors are not those named then strictly literal interpretation regarding authorship ought to be abandoned. But I ask how far is one forced to abandon strictly literal interpretation given the content of the holy scriptures. There are passages in the psalms and histories that are better read in other than strictly literal ways. Perhaps that applies to more than the notorious passages. Perhaps it applies to other passages too. And there is the possibility that there really are "cunningly devised fables" in the holy scriptures too. I do not say that there are but there are many who say it is so. How does one combat such views without resorting to simple denial or, even worse, mud slinging against those who raise the matter? Simply saying "no" may be satisfying at one level but it will not be convincing to anybody.
      Last edited by MoreCoffee; 04-13-2018 at 08:01 AM.
      Pope Gregory I was well known for his alms to the poor, and he gave quite generously of the riches donated to the Church by the wealthy people of Rome. Everything from money to land was given to the poor in some fashion. He made clear to his subordinates that their duty was to relieve the distress faced by the poor.

      He ordered his clergy to go out into the streets to find and care for the poor in person.

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      It is called faith and for those who say these things there is nothing going to convince them so remember the verse about casting pearls before swine and shaking the dust off your feet
      Isaiah 40:31

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      Quote Originally Posted by psalms 91 View Post
      It is called faith and for those who say these things there is nothing going to convince them so remember the verse about casting pearls before swine and shaking the dust off your feet
      Well brother psalms 91 how does using that phrase from the bible "do not cast your pearls before swine" differ from calling people names (swine in this case) and how is shaking the dust off one's feet different from simple denial? A good answer to an objection surely cannot be to call the questioner names and to walk away saying "no" in words or in body language.
      Pope Gregory I was well known for his alms to the poor, and he gave quite generously of the riches donated to the Church by the wealthy people of Rome. Everything from money to land was given to the poor in some fashion. He made clear to his subordinates that their duty was to relieve the distress faced by the poor.

      He ordered his clergy to go out into the streets to find and care for the poor in person.

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