Justification

MennoSota said:

There is no "goodness" within us, whether we are saved or not.

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Col 1:27
To whom God would make known
what is the Riches of the Glory of this Mystery
among the Gentiles;
Which is Christ within you,
The Hope of Glory:

Is Paul mistaken here?
"Christ within you" is "no goodness within us"???
Are you correcting Paul here?
Or are you calling Christ "no goodness"??
Or maybe you just mis-spoke...
I do that most of the time!

Arsenios

Arsenios said:

Then why did you ask the question about percentages?
Forget percentages - That word is not in the Bible...

God Calls...
Man repents...
God Saves...

Man can do nothing apart from God...

This has been happening for 2000 years now and counting...

Arsenios

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1) God Calls
2) God Adopts
3) Child of God repents

Man can do nothing apart from God.
Your mistake is that you place repentance before God's work of saving. Thus, you negate man doing nothing apart from God. You have man repenting by his own free will. Man will NEVER repent of his own free will. The Bible is very clear about this.

Arsenios said:

Thank you for the humility and for the song done by Matt Redman...
What a great way to begin the 100th page of our discussion...

"You alone can Save us..."
I for one am willing to die here and now in defense of that understanding...

If you love that song, then your heart is in much better shape than your head!!
And I thank God for YOU...

Arsenios

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You seem to miss the theology in the song based upon your insistence in saying that man repents before God saves. Thus, you disagree with the song at its fundamental premise.
Perhaps this is just a big blind spot for you.

MennoSota said:

You seem to miss the theology in the song based upon your insistence in saying that man repents before God saves. Thus, you disagree with the song at its fundamental premise.
Perhaps this is just a big blind spot for you.

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Let me repeat: "Your heart is in much better shape than your head..."

"You (O God) alone can Save us..."

God saves those who turn from sin...
God does not save those who do not...

The Gospel command is to turn from sin...
For theKingdom of Heaven is at hand...

Man has the God-given power of free will to do so or not...
But only in this fallen and brief life...

Arsenios

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