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    World Religion & Speculative Theology - Thread: Does the Qu'ran tell the same truth found in the Christian Bible?

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      Quote Originally Posted by popsthebuilder View Post
      (Thanks for starting the thread.

      We are speaking of the Quran specifically and not the opinions of others, correct?

      Your opening argument is great; but then you go into your percieved consensus on those who consider themselves Islamic (submissive to GOD). this is not the focus of the discussion. We shouldn't base our opinion on the opinions of others; nor should we consider a whole people as wrong due to a single interpretation held by a single sect or division or schism.

      With that being said; let's review the text you chose to provide. And thank you for doing what I wouldn't nor could do at that time.

      It is not my wish to distance myself any further from this group; though based on experience; that is what is about to happen. Let this be for the sake of profitable conversation in a peacable spirit.

      This will be of the version I use which seems close to what you provided thus far.)

      4:157. And because of their claiming, ‘We did kill the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the Messenger of Allâh,’ whereas they killed him not, nor did they cause his death by crucifixion, but he was made to them to resemble. Verily, those who differ therein are certainly in confusion about it. They have no definite knowledge of the matter but are only following a conjecture. They did not kill him, this much is certain.

      (Can the Spirit of GOD die?)

      (Can the Holy Temple of GOD (in which the Spirit of GOD chooses to dwell) be destroyed, and too be raised again by the Will of GOD?)

      (Was Jesus the Holy Temple of GOD almighty in which the Spirit of GOD did dwell fully?)

      ( I look forward to your response and the responses of anyone else interested in simple honest peacable conversation for the sake all.)

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      The Spirit of God can never die! Amen!
      Jesus was not a spirit tho, he had the same flesh as you and I.
      Gnostics believed that Jesus was pure light or 'spirit' and Gnostics believed in the infancy verses, these are facts, they also believe that Judas is an equal savior for doing his part and that Jesus shape shifted and stood outside the cross laughing.
      The followers of the Quran ARE the outcome of that gnostic movement, with a touch up and a lying "make it up as we go" attitude

      Did Jesus come in the flesh pops? Yes or No?
      Last edited by DHoffmann; 02-26-2018 at 07:29 PM.

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      Quote Originally Posted by DHoffmann View Post
      No.

      In fact I cannot find a single biblical quote in the Quran, the NT will quote the OT here and there, but the Quran? Not once, from what I have read so far it is the greatest blasphemy against "people of the book", we are taught that Christ wasn't crucified nor died nor went to hell nor resurrected and that God fooled us.
      It also says that followers of Allah will act out a planned destruction of the Christian world, ill find the passages on that for us to read when I have the time.
      Btw pops, the version I read is the equal to the KJV in popularity, again I will share the translators name in time.
      The Quran is hateful, there are no children of God in it but servants to Allah, I can only read a few pages at a time because I feel sick trying to read it when I really do try to be patient, it's not a good book and I encourage no one to follow its teachings.

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      So are you thinking the translation you use is good because it is used by the masses?

      It speaks of destruction of the knowing hypocrite just like the bible does.

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      Quote Originally Posted by DHoffmann View Post
      The Spirit of God can never die! Amen!
      Jesus was not a spirit tho, he had the same flesh as you and I.
      Gnostics believed that Jesus was pure light or 'spirit' and Gnostics believed in the infancy verses, these are facts, they also believe that Judas is an equal savior for doing his part and that Jesus shape shifted and stood outside the cross laughing.
      The followers of the Quran ARE the outcome of that gnostic movement, with a touch up and a lying "make it up as we go" attitude

      Did Jesus come in the flesh pops? Yes or No?
      The Spirit of GOD Came in the flesh and His name was Jesus.

      The Spirit of GOD indeed did dwell fully within the Holy Temple, the Temple was indeed destroyed and raised back up; yet the Spirit wasn't killed.

      It really isn't too hard to grasp.

      The truth is simple.

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      Last edited by popsthebuilder; 02-27-2018 at 08:19 AM.
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      Quote Originally Posted by popsthebuilder View Post
      The truth is simple.
      Actually, the universe teaches us that TRUTH is seldom simple.

      Matter is composed of particles.
      Energy is composed of waves.
      Is Light a particle or a wave? ... Light is both!

      Mass is the unvarying amount of matter in an object.
      Except that as an object accelerates towards the speed of light, it's mass increases to eventually approach infinite as it approaches the speed of light.

      Explain how women think to me.

      Truth is anything but simple.
      God became a man.
      The God-man became sin.
      Our sin was slain on a cross.
      The God-man raised HIMSELF from the dead.
      We became the righteousness of Christ.
      Christ will raise us to be with him ... glorified and perfect.

      Myths are simple ... Zeus hurls bolts from the sky and that is where lightning comes from.


      Matthew 3:16-17 NASB
      16 After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him, 17 and behold, a voice out of the heavens said, “This is [fn]My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased.”

      Jesus (God the Son, incarnate) is standing in the water as God the Father is heard speaking from heaven and the Spirit of God (God the Holy Spirit) descends and lands on Jesus. That is the TRUTH of God. Powerful, dynamic, glorious, trinity ... but not simple.

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      Quote Originally Posted by atpollard View Post
      Actually, the universe teaches us that TRUTH is seldom simple.

      Matter is composed of particles.
      Energy is composed of waves.
      Is Light a particle or a wave? ... Light is both!

      Mass is the unvarying amount of matter in an object.
      Except that as an object accelerates towards the speed of light, it's mass increases to eventually approach infinite as it approaches the speed of light.

      Explain how women think to me.

      Truth is anything but simple.
      God became a man.
      The God-man became sin.
      Our sin was slain on a cross.
      The God-man raised HIMSELF from the dead.
      We became the righteousness of Christ.
      Christ will raise us to be with him ... glorified and perfect.

      Myths are simple ... Zeus hurls bolts from the sky and that is where lightning comes from.


      Matthew 3:16-17 NASB
      16 After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him, 17 and behold, a voice out of the heavens said, “This is [fn]My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased.”

      Jesus (God the Son, incarnate) is standing in the water as God the Father is heard speaking from heaven and the Spirit of God (God the Holy Spirit) descends and lands on Jesus. That is the TRUTH of God. Powerful, dynamic, glorious, trinity ... but not simple.
      I'm not denying the trinity friend.

      And by the truth being simple; I meant the Truth.

      Please define the three separate "persons" of the trinity and the amount any level they are separate.

      How did we get back on this subject?

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      Quote Originally Posted by popsthebuilder View Post
      So are you thinking the translation you use is good because it is used by the masses?

      It speaks of destruction of the knowing hypocrite just like the bible does.

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      Quote Originally Posted by DHoffmann View Post
      Abdullah Yusuf Ali

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      Am I supposed to know who or what that is or denotes?

      What point are you trying to make please?

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      Quote Originally Posted by popsthebuilder View Post
      Am I supposed to know who or what that is or denotes?

      What point are you trying to make please?

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      Please buy a direct physical Arabic to English translation quran instead of your cherry pick apps with wrong translations.
      This is the book that most English learners of the quran actually use.
      You must use a taqiyya version

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      Quote Originally Posted by DHoffmann View Post
      Please buy a direct physical Arabic to English translation quran instead of your cherry pick apps with wrong translations.
      This is the book that most English learners of the quran actually use.
      You must use a taqiyya version

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      I don't know. You tell me.

      I don't go off f the commentary or even read it.

      But I really don't believe I using a third party to tell me what I am reading.

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      Quran 9:29-32
      29. Fight those who do not believe in God, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid what God and His Messenger have forbidden, nor abide by the religion of truth—from among those who received the Scripture—until they pay the due tax, willingly or unwillingly.
      30. The Jews said, “Ezra is the son of God,” and the Christians said, “The Messiah is the son of God.” These are their statements, out of their mouths. They emulate the statements of those who blasphemed before. May God assail them! How deceived they are!
      31. They have taken their rabbis and their priests as lords instead of God, as well as the Messiah son of Mary. Although they were commanded to worship none but The One God. There is no god except He. Glory be to Him; High above what they associate with Him.
      32. They want to extinguish God’s light with their mouths, but God refuses except to complete His light, even though the disbelievers dislike it.



      Matthew 5:43-48
      43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48 Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

      Luke 6:27-36
      27 “But I say to you who hear, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. 29 Whoever hits you on the cheek, offer him the other also; and whoever takes away your coat, do not withhold your shirt from him either. 30 Give to everyone who asks of you, and whoever takes away what is yours, do not demand it back. 31 Treat others the same way you want them to treat you. 32 If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. 33 If you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners do the same. 34 If you lend to those from whom you expect to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners in order to receive back the same amount. 35 But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High; for He Himself is kind to ungrateful and evil men. 36 Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.

      Is the message from 'God/god' the same?

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