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    World Religion & Speculative Theology - Thread: Does the Qu'ran tell the same truth found in the Christian Bible?

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      Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
      I am the one who said the Quran we have today was compiled over 300 years after Muhammad lived. I said that the caliphate who compiled the Quran had all other versions destroyed so that we cannot do a good textual criticism of the Quran. I said that we have less factual evidence for the life of Muhammad than we have for the life of Jesus. We do not really know who Muhammad was. What we have is thousands of oral stories created over hundreds of years. These are called the "hadith" which is translated, "the way." It is the hadith which causes Muslim to kill Muslim and call each other heretics.
      We aren't discussing hadith's.

      And I really don't care to discuss your opinion or even what you personally consider fact.

      I want to discuss the supposed differences of the two books, actually using the two for reference.

      Why won't you do that?

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      Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
      I am the one who said the Quran we have today was compiled over 300 years after Muhammad lived. I said that the caliphate who compiled the Quran had all other versions destroyed so that we cannot do a good textual criticism of the Quran. I said that we have less factual evidence for the life of Muhammad than we have for the life of Jesus. We do not really know who Muhammad was. What we have is thousands of oral stories created over hundreds of years. These are called the "hadith" which is translated, "the way." It is the hadith which causes Muslim to kill Muslim and call each other heretics.
      Sounds similar to what happened with the Bible through the councels of men.

      Every heard of Arius?

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      In Nabeel Qureshi's book "No God but One," he details teachings in the Quran and in the Bible.
      Qureshi was the son of Muslim missionaries from Pakistan and grew up in the US. He was a devout follower through college when he met David Wood in his debate team. Both set out to compare the veracity of the Quran and the Bible.
      His book is a great read for anyone wishing to consider an objective study of both texts.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
      In Nabeel Qureshi's book "No God but One," he details teachings in the Quran and in the Bible.
      Qureshi was the son of Muslim missionaries from Pakistan and grew up in the US. He was a devout follower through college when he met David Wood in his debate team. Both set out to compare the veracity of the Quran and the Bible.
      His book is a great read for anyone wishing to consider an objective study of both texts.
      Do not rely on third party opinion.

      Please do not propogate such as if truth.

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      It can't be over already?!?

      How can so many be so against a thing yet not able or willing to show why with scripture, or comparison of books, through conversation?



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      Quote Originally Posted by popsthebuilder View Post
      Do not rely on third party opinion.

      Please do not propogate such as if truth.

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      Do you read books? Do you listen to people speak about the Bible and the Quran?
      I do.
      Nabeel Qureshi did an excellent job speaking about both the Bible and the Quran. Why are you against reading his exposition?
      Do you believe your own words when they make claims as a third party? Perhaps you should stop imagining you speak any truth?
      pops, you hide behind the excuse of a third party when I bring up Qureshi's books, but you have no problem spreading your own views and not shutting down your own thoughts. Do you really think you know more than a man who was both devout Muslim and devout convert to Christ Jesus?
      What are you so afraid of?

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      Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
      Do you read books? Do you listen to people speak about the Bible and the Quran?
      I do.
      Nabeel Qureshi did an excellent job speaking about both the Bible and the Quran. Why are you against reading his exposition?
      Do you believe your own words when they make claims as a third party? Perhaps you should stop imagining you speak any truth?
      pops, you hide behind the excuse of a third party when I bring up Qureshi's books, but you have no problem spreading your own views and not shutting down your own thoughts. Do you really think you know more than a man who was both devout Muslim and devout convert to Christ Jesus?
      What are you so afraid of?
      No. I do not read outer material in reliance of such for understanding. I stick to core sacred texts generally.

      No. I do not expect any to take my own word as a third party; but hope I can motivate people who are genuine and sincere in their motives to at least attempt to read the core texts for themselves with as little bias as possible and come to a conclusion themselves.

      To be clear; I fear nothing but the consequences of my own actions or lack of action in the sight of GOD.

      Why are you scared to openly compare the two books directly for all to see if what you propogate is true?

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      I do have some input.

      Hopefully it will be helpful.

      Ain’t got no time now.

      I ask for popsthebuilder’s understanding and patience.
      Seeking to understand with precision, God's holy and coherent revelation to us.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Pedrito View Post
      I do have some input.

      Hopefully it will be helpful.

      Ain’t got no time now.

      I ask for popsthebuilder’s understanding and patience.
      Take all the time you need friend.

      I look forward to your leveled knowledged input.

      peace

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      No.

      In fact I cannot find a single biblical quote in the Quran, the NT will quote the OT here and there, but the Quran? Not once, from what I have read so far it is the greatest blasphemy against "people of the book", we are taught that Christ wasn't crucified nor died nor went to hell nor resurrected and that God fooled us.
      It also says that followers of Allah will act out a planned destruction of the Christian world, ill find the passages on that for us to read when I have the time.
      Btw pops, the version I read is the equal to the KJV in popularity, again I will share the translators name in time.
      The Quran is hateful, there are no children of God in it but servants to Allah, I can only read a few pages at a time because I feel sick trying to read it when I really do try to be patient, it's not a good book and I encourage no one to follow its teachings.

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