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      Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
      As a Deist, the God you believe in has left the building.
      I find it surprising that you care about the Bible at all, given your position that God never has engaged with His creation after setting it in motion.
      That is not my position. I clarified this in the thread you started on Deism, and you repeatedly ignoring it in favor of a strict definition of Deism shows that you are very capable and willing of being very dishonest - and if you think that no one else sees it, you are also very very foolish.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Stravinsk View Post
      That is not my position. I clarified this in the thread you started on Deism, and you repeatedly ignoring it in favor of a strict definition of Deism shows that you are very capable and willing of being very dishonest - and if you think that no one else sees it, you are also very very foolish.
      So, you're not a Deist? What hybrid mongrel mix have you conjured?

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      Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
      So, you're not a Deist? What hybrid mongrel mix have you conjured?
      You are asking me to explain what I have already explained (but you choose to ignore) in the thread on Deism you started. It should be quite clear I am not a strict Deist by the definition you provided in that thread, just as Thomas Jefferson couldn't have been a strict Deist if he esteemed any part of the bible at all, but yet he did, and so do I. Not in the same way, but nevertheless we are both Deists. Deism is a broad label that encompasses any who point to Creation as a witness of a Creator. Christians, Jews, Muslims are all Deists in this sense, if they truly believe Creation points to Creator.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Stravinsk View Post
      You are asking me to explain what I have already explained (but you choose to ignore) in the thread on Deism you started. It should be quite clear I am not a strict Deist by the definition you provided in that thread, just as Thomas Jefferson couldn't have been a strict Deist if he esteemed any part of the bible at all, but yet he did, and so do I. Not in the same way, but nevertheless we are both Deists. Deism is a broad label that encompasses any who point to Creation as a witness of a Creator. Christians, Jews, Muslims are all Deists in this sense, if they truly believe Creation points to Creator.
      Did God speak through the Bible or is it merely men sharing their superstition?

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      Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
      Did God speak through the Bible or is it merely men sharing their superstition?
      This Deist believes many parts of the bible are inspired, and some not. You really should go and honestly answer points I brought up in the thread you started, instead of letting this one get derailed. Points such as:

      1) Were there Christians before the NT was canonized?
      2) On what basis do you reject some non canonical books seeing as some of them are referenced in what you consider "God's Word"(that which excludes them)
      3) Not all Christian denominations accept the same books, some include other books (Tobit, Maccabees, Enoch, etc). Can you give an answer to why this is beyond what you already have in the other thread ("they accept them because of their rebellious nature") as if Protestantism and the books it includes/excludes was the first brand of Christianity (which it was and is not)

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      Quote Originally Posted by Stravinsk View Post
      This Deist believes many parts of the bible are inspired, and some not. You really should go and honestly answer points I brought up in the thread you started, instead of letting this one get derailed. Points such as:

      1) Were there Christians before the NT was canonized?
      2) On what basis do you reject some non canonical books seeing as some of them are referenced in what you consider "God's Word"(that which excludes them)
      3) Not all Christian denominations accept the same books, some include other books (Tobit, Maccabees, Enoch, etc). Can you give an answer to why this is beyond what you already have in the other thread ("they accept them because of their rebellious nature")
      If God doesn't engage with nature, how did he inspire the books you claim God inspired?

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      Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
      If God doesn't engage with nature, how did he inspire the books you claim God inspired?
      Again, you are working from a strict definition of Deism that I don't adhere to. I have made this plain already, and again you keep ignoring it. Please see my responses in the thread you started.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
      If God doesn't engage with nature, how did he inspire the books you claim God inspired?


      Quote Originally Posted by Stravinsk View Post
      Again, you are working from a strict definition of Deism that I don't adhere to. I have made this plain already, and again you keep ignoring it. Please see my responses in the thread you started.
      You never answered my question...ever.
      Or, quote your clear response from some alleged thread.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
      If God doesn't engage with nature, how did he inspire the books you claim God inspired?
      Quote Originally Posted by Stravinsk View Post
      Again, you are working from a strict definition of Deism that I don't adhere to. I have made this plain already, and again you keep ignoring it. Please see my responses in the thread you started.
      Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
      You never answered my question...ever.
      Or, quote your clear response from some alleged thread.
      [staff edit] The very first quote from you I have included in this post (if God doesn't engage with Nature...full stop) is not a position I take. To you, Deism is black or white depending on the definition you provided. As you refuse to accept any other definition then you will continue to make the claim I didn't answer your question.

      Again, Thomas Jefferson was a famous Deist, and is recognized as so by Deists. If he took the strict position you keep claiming is the definition of Deism, then he wouldn't have bothered to esteem the words of Christ, for if the strict definition applied to him, then Christ wouldn't have been inspired and there would be no need to quote Christ's words at all.
      Last edited by Lämmchen; 02-19-2018 at 07:45 AM. Reason: staff edit

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      Quote Originally Posted by Stravinsk View Post
      [staff edit]The very first quote from you I have included in this post (if God doesn't engage with Nature...full stop) is not a position I take. To you, Deism is black or white depending on the definition you provided. As you refuse to accept any other definition then you will continue to make the claim I didn't answer your question.

      Again, Thomas Jefferson was a famous Deist, and is recognized as so by Deists. If he took the strict position you keep claiming is the definition of Deism, then he wouldn't have bothered to esteem the words of Christ, for if the strict definition applied to him, then Christ wouldn't have been inspired and there would be no need to quote Christ's words at all.
      How did God inspire the authors you claim He inspired? How did God do this if He doesn't interact with His creation?
      These are simple question that you can answer directly. Why don't you answer my simple questions?
      Last edited by Lämmchen; 02-19-2018 at 07:46 AM. Reason: Staff edit of quoted post

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