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    Denomination & Faith Movement Discussions - Thread: Are you an official member of a church

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      Quote Originally Posted by tango View Post
      Strictly speaking I am a member of two churches and my wife is a member of three.

      We're still technically members of our former church. The only reason we left the church is because we moved out of the area, and still attend it when we are in the area visiting friends from the church at the weekend. I think my wife is still technically a member of her childhood church even though she hasn't attended a service there in nearly a decade (if you exclude weddings and funerals, Christmas and Easter it's probably more like 25 years).

      WE joined the church as members because we decided we wanted to settle there, to nail our colors to the mast, so to speak. Membership gives voting rights, it often comes with a few incidental other privileges relating to use of church facilities although we seldom use them. We also wanted to support our pastor. We retained our membership of our former church because we left on very good terms and still wish to stay in touch. Technically speaking it means we could attend a church meeting and cast the deciding vote on a contentious issue and then leave without ever having to deal with the consequences of the vote, but in practice it's not something we would do.
      Just a footnote here...but in most denominations, you cannot be a member of two of its congregations simultaneously unless it is one of those snowbird situations. The old one will transfer your membership to the new one. And you wont be carried on the rolls of any of those congregations as a member, a voting member, if you dont show up for a stretch of years.

      It would be possible to belong to two different denominations if one or the other of them doesn't get wind of what you've done, however.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Albion View Post
      Just a footnote here...but in most denominations, you cannot be a member of two of its congregations simultaneously unless it is one of those snowbird situations. The old one will transfer your membership to the new one. And you wont be carried on the rolls of any of those congregations as a member, a voting member, if you dont show up for a stretch of years.

      It would be possible to belong to two different denominations if one or the other of them doesn't get wind of what you've done, however.
      When we joined a church in one part of Texas we happened to go back to where we use to live and were talking to some friends and one lady told me that our membership was still at our previous church even though we had transferred our letter. Baptist churches are notorious for leaving people on the rolls. I know of a few situations where people who were dead and gone were still on church rolls. Some churches do a better job than others at their record keeping

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      Well, that experience shows that the membership should have gotten transferred, though, despite the administrative slip-up.

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      Quote Originally Posted by jsimms435 View Post
      When we joined a church in one part of Texas we happened to go back to where we use to live and were talking to some friends and one lady told me that our membership was still at our previous church even though we had transferred our letter. Baptist churches are notorious for leaving people on the rolls. I know of a few situations where people who were dead and gone were still on church rolls. Some churches do a better job than others at their record keeping

      ... its not just Baptists, lol.....


      A LOT of parishes do a terrible job of stewardship of these numbers. And of course, a LOT of churches no longer have official memberships at all (my brothers huge Mega Non Denom has no such thing - when you've returned as a guest, you are added to the "care" list - where you remain until God knows when). And folks in my generation are not "joiners" and hesitate to officially join anything.

      This is why "Average Worship Attendance" has become a far better measurement. My tiny parish has about 100 on the official Confirmed membership list but that's frankly meaningless.... we have about 50 in church on an average Sunday. THAT number I know includes several who aren't officially members (for whatever reason). About half of our attendees are former Catholics but I know one family that STILL considers themselves Catholic "by heritage" even though they never go to a Catholic parish and fully agree with Lutheran theology but "We're Mexicans and we're Catholic!" It's a cultural thing..... We FULLY embrace them as members, just not technically. Not sure the difference matters a bit.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Albion View Post
      Just a footnote here...but in most denominations, you cannot be a member of two of its congregations simultaneously unless it is one of those snowbird situations. The old one will transfer your membership to the new one. And you wont be carried on the rolls of any of those congregations as a member, a voting member, if you dont show up for a stretch of years.

      It would be possible to belong to two different denominations if one or the other of them doesn't get wind of what you've done, however.
      The two churches are different denominations and neither has a problem with membership of the other.

      I am expecting to be removed from the membership roll of our former church at some point in the future - as you say when we no longer attend regularly it's inevitable that sooner or later we're going to get dropped from membership. A few years back there was discussion of removing members who had been inactive for years and it caused some contention. One couple who apparently hadn't been seen in church for several years despite living less than 5 miles away, we were told, would "find it very hurtful" if they had their membership cancelled. Obviously not so hurtful that they could make such an arduous journey once every couple of months to attend a church service.

      Personally I see myself as Christian first and have little interest in specific denominations. My question tends to be "what does Scripture say about X?" rather than "what do Baptists/Anglicans/Mennonites/Lutherans/whatever think Scripture says about X?" Obviously each church will bring an extent of its denominational leanings into teachings but as long as teaching is Scripturally sound I'm not too worried about specifics. I disagreed with my former church on some issues, I disagree with my current church on some issues, but nothing is an issue of any real significance.

      The first time I was invited to preach at my current church I had a conversation with the minister and he gave me a couple of (small) books he suggested I read. He essentially said I was welcome to preach on whatever topic I chose, but to avoid teaching in direct contradiction of the main denominational points. I was happy with that - if I felt the need to refute key denominational beliefs from the pulpit it would be better to talk to the minister first and if needs be find a different church.
      "Do what thou will shall be the whole of the law" - Aleister Crowley

      "If you love me, obey my commandments" - Jesus Christ

      The Bible comes as a complete package. If we want to pluck verses out of context so make them mean what we want them to mean, if we want to ignore the passages that are inconvenient to our outlook, we should be intellectually honest enough to throw our Bibles in the trash and admit we are following Crowley and not Christ.

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      Quote Originally Posted by tango View Post
      The two churches are different denominations and neither has a problem with membership of the other.

      I am expecting to be removed from the membership roll of our former church at some point in the future - as you say when we no longer attend regularly it's inevitable that sooner or later we're going to get dropped from membership. A few years back there was discussion of removing members who had been inactive for years and it caused some contention. One couple who apparently hadn't been seen in church for several years despite living less than 5 miles away, we were told, would "find it very hurtful" if they had their membership cancelled. Obviously not so hurtful that they could make such an arduous journey once every couple of months to attend a church service.

      Personally I see myself as Christian first and have little interest in specific denominations. My question tends to be "what does Scripture say about X?" rather than "what do Baptists/Anglicans/Mennonites/Lutherans/whatever think Scripture says about X?" Obviously each church will bring an extent of its denominational leanings into teachings but as long as teaching is Scripturally sound I'm not too worried about specifics. I disagreed with my former church on some issues, I disagree with my current church on some issues, but nothing is an issue of any real significance.

      The first time I was invited to preach at my current church I had a conversation with the minister and he gave me a couple of (small) books he suggested I read. He essentially said I was welcome to preach on whatever topic I chose, but to avoid teaching in direct contradiction of the main denominational points. I was happy with that - if I felt the need to refute key denominational beliefs from the pulpit it would be better to talk to the minister first and if needs be find a different church.
      When I was a nursing home chaplain I was invited at the minister's alliance meeting by one of the Lutheran pastors to come preach at his church. I am assuming he was desperate for help because he really didn't eve know me that well. Well, I went and preached at his church and was invited back a few months later to preach against. I was surprised because I am not Lutheran or even close as far as I can tell. I guess every once in a while they let a guest preacher come speak. I was also invited several times by one of the Methodist pastors to preach. Oddly, I was not invited by the local Baptist pastors.

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      Quote Originally Posted by jsimms435 View Post
      When I was a nursing home chaplain I was invited at the minister's alliance meeting by one of the Lutheran pastors to come preach at his church. I am assuming he was desperate for help because he really didn't eve know me that well. Well, I went and preached at his church and was invited back a few months later to preach against. I was surprised because I am not Lutheran or even close as far as I can tell. I guess every once in a while they let a guest preacher come speak. I was also invited several times by one of the Methodist pastors to preach. Oddly, I was not invited by the local Baptist pastors.
      I'm surprised a Lutheran congregation tolerated that. Speaking as a guest pastor for a mission group might be allowed.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Lämmchen View Post
      I'm surprised a Lutheran congregation tolerated that. Speaking as a guest pastor for a mission group might be allowed.
      I just looked them up to see what they are members of. it says it is a ELCA church. It says Texas-Louisana Gulf Coast Synod. It is in Texas. I can PM you a link to the church but that was 17 years ago so the same pastor isn't there now

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      In the LCMS, only LCMS pastors (or a tiny number of those in "pulpit fellowship" with such) on the official roster may be used as guest preachers ...

      I'm under the impression that there are LOTS of good, solid Lutheran pastors, teachers and parishes in the ELCA. But there are also some who have wandered far away..... SO many Protestant faith communities have had "liberal" split offs... although often the problem is not classic liberalism as it is just relevativism and pragmatism. It sometimes happens in the long sceam of history for faith communities to wander away (Sunday School students recall how Israel itself did this) - and then eventually come back. There are many good folks in parishes of the ELCA, UPUSA, Episcopal Church USA - I pray that in time, ALL of us in ALL faith communities will come firmly on historic, orthodox, biblical theology and morality.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Josiah View Post
      In the LCMS, only LCMS pastors (or a tiny number of those in "pulpit fellowship" with such) on the official roster may be used as guest preachers ...

      I'm under the impression that there are LOTS of good, solid Lutheran pastors, teachers and parishes in the ELCA. But there are also some who have wandered far away..... SO many Protestant faith communities have had "liberal" split offs... although often the problem is not classic liberalism as it is just relevativism and pragmatism. It sometimes happens in the long sceam of history for faith communities to wander away (Sunday School students recall how Israel itself did this) - and then eventually come back. There are many good folks in parishes of the ELCA, UPUSA, Episcopal Church USA - I pray that in time, ALL of us in ALL faith communities will come firmly on historic, orthodox, biblical theology and morality.
      They did wander away and then God would discipline them so they would see the errors of their ways. In Judges, that meant giving Israel into the hands of their enemies until they looked up

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