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    Denomination & Faith Movement Discussions - Thread: Philippians 2:12 ?

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      Philippians 2:12 ?

      Philippians 2:12...continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling.

      This scripture verse has always troubled me and can cause me concern and anxiety.

      I’m particularly interested in the Lutheran perspective but the question is open to all who would like to contribute.

      Please just answer the question itself without contending with the other posters. I’ll be able to discern for myself the most scripturally orthodox teaching with a possible follow up question or two.

      God’s blessings

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      This is very similiar to what it says in Hebrews 2:1-3
      "We must pay the most careful attention, therefore, to what we have heard, so that we do not drift away. 2 For since the message spoken through angels was binding, and every violation and disobedience received its just punishment, 3 how shall we escape if we ignore so great a salvation? This salvation, which was first announced by the Lord, was confirmed to us by those who heard him."

      I believe this is a warning to us not to take the grace of God for granted or take it lightly. It cost Jesus his life on earth. We aren't to take it for granted and are to do our part as believers to live in a manner worthy of our calling. That phrase "manner worthy of calling" occurs several times in scripture. We are to be doing our part to be a good witness, not to be a stumbling block to others and remember that Jesus didn't have to forgive us at all. Phil 1:27, Eph 4:1, 1 Thess 2:12

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      Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
      Philippians 2:12...continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling.

      This scripture verse has always troubled me and can cause me concern and anxiety.

      I’m particularly interested in the Lutheran perspective but the question is open to all who would like to contribute.

      Please just answer the question itself without contending with the other posters. I’ll be able to discern for myself the most scripturally orthodox teaching with a possible follow up question or two.

      God’s blessings
      If it causes me concern, I first wonder if the devil is accusing me or if there's really something wrong and if there's cause for concern. Then I confess my sins 1 John 1:9 and He cleanses me w His blood and my conscience. For some things I needed prayer in church or demons kicked out.
      God warns you to keep you safe.
      Satan accuses and gives no way out. The Holy Spirit convinces and shows a way out. Get to know who you are in Christ. You are made holy and you can put to death the deeds of the body through His help. If not and you're in Romans 7 then cry out to God and you come in Romans 8.
      One guy on cf was addicted to porn for 38 years. He was a pastor. He prayed and fasted and nothing worked and eventually he gave up and God said: with this My son I am well pleased. You cant do it yourself. Then he had to confess that he died and raised with Christ and he was set free instantly.
      But even Smith Wigglesworth, when he was a young believer would get scared and think everyone was raptured except him. That was accusation from the devil.
      They overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and the Word of their mouth and they didnt love their life unto death.

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      My son had anxiety and demons telling him the whole day that one day he'd leave God and go to hell. Day in day out. Because the kid was 8 and his dad taught about hell in church. It went on for quite some time and dad rebuked that demon, but he kept saying they said this and that. Then he took him to a psychologist who wanted to put him on drugs and I got furious, but I had nothing to say and I had one week to fix this. So I said to my son: I dedicated you before conception and told God I would not have kids w out the assurance theyd always follow Him. So dont worry, once saved always saved. And I said: tell your dad you dont hear it anymore.
      But then I lie.
      No its the truth. God says it. He whom the Son sets free is free indeed and we prayed that you'd be set free. Period.
      So he did that. Dad didnt believe him, but within a week it was gone. Psychologist said he was okay and didnt need meds.

      Btw dont just read Phillippians 2, read it in context.
      Phillippians 1:

      I thank my God upon every remembrance of you, 4 always in every prayer of mine making request for you all with joy, 5 for your fellowship in the gospel from the first day until now, 6 being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ

      He warns to keep you safe. Angel said to Paul that no prisoner on the ship would die, but when they tried to escape, he said: stay on the ship else you die.
      That warning kept them safe.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
      Philippians 2:12...continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling.

      This scripture verse has always troubled me and can cause me concern and anxiety.

      I’m particularly interested in the Lutheran perspective but the question is open to all who would like to contribute.

      Please just answer the question itself without contending with the other posters. I’ll be able to discern for myself the most scripturally orthodox teaching with a possible follow up question or two.

      God’s blessings
      First, I would note that I am not a follower of OSAS. For I apologize for the bias. First, when we say "the fear of the Lord" we mean "the reverence and awe of all that which is God that leads one to willful obedience to His will". Basically, it means to take your salvation seriously. Don't fall into the trap of complacency.

      The sense in which we are to work out our salvation in fear and trembling is twofold. First, the Greek verb rendered “work out” means "to continually work to bring something to completion or fruition." We do this by actively pursuing obedience in the process of sanctification, which Paul explains further in the next chapter of Philippians. He describes himself as “straining” and “pressing on” toward the goal of Christlikeness (Philippians 3:13-14). The “trembling” he experiences is the attitude Christians are to have in pursuing this goal—a healthy fear of offending God through disobedience and an awe and respect for His majesty and holiness. "Trembling" can also refer to a shaking due to weakness, but this is a weakness of higher purpose, one which brings us to a state of dependency on God. Obedience and submission to the God we revere and respect is our “reasonable service” (Romans 12:1-2) and brings great joy.*Psalm 2:11*sums it up perfectly: “Serve the LORD with fear and rejoice with trembling.” We work out our salvation by going to the very source of our salvation—the Word of God—wherein we renew our hearts and minds (Romans 12:1-2), coming into His presence with a spirit of reverence and awe

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      Quote Originally Posted by meluckycharms View Post
      First, I would note that I am not a follower of OSAS. For I apologize for the bias. First, when we say "the fear of the Lord" we mean "the reverence and awe of all that which is God that leads one to willful obedience to His will". Basically, it means to take your salvation seriously. Don't fall into the trap of complacency.

      The sense in which we are to work out our salvation in fear and trembling is twofold. First, the Greek verb rendered “work out” means "to continually work to bring something to completion or fruition." We do this by actively pursuing obedience in the process of sanctification, which Paul explains further in the next chapter of Philippians. He describes himself as “straining” and “pressing on” toward the goal of Christlikeness (Philippians 3:13-14). The “trembling” he experiences is the attitude Christians are to have in pursuing this goal—a healthy fear of offending God through disobedience and an awe and respect for His majesty and holiness. "Trembling" can also refer to a shaking due to weakness, but this is a weakness of higher purpose, one which brings us to a state of dependency on God. Obedience and submission to the God we revere and respect is our “reasonable service” (Romans 12:1-2) and brings great joy.*Psalm 2:11*sums it up perfectly: “Serve the LORD with fear and rejoice with trembling.” We work out our salvation by going to the very source of our salvation—the Word of God—wherein we renew our hearts and minds (Romans 12:1-2), coming into His presence with a spirit of reverence and awe

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      The fun thing is, he says in Phillippians 1 that they are once saved always saved. He sees their fruit and still he warns them.

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      Quote Originally Posted by meluckycharms View Post
      First, I would note that I am not a follower of OSAS. For I apologize for the bias. First, when we say "the fear of the Lord" we mean "the reverence and awe of all that which is God that leads one to willful obedience to His will". Basically, it means to take your salvation seriously. Don't fall into the trap of complacency.

      The sense in which we are to work out our salvation in fear and trembling is twofold. First, the Greek verb rendered “work out” means "to continually work to bring something to completion or fruition." We do this by actively pursuing obedience in the process of sanctification, which Paul explains further in the next chapter of Philippians. He describes himself as “straining” and “pressing on” toward the goal of Christlikeness (Philippians 3:13-14). The “trembling” he experiences is the attitude Christians are to have in pursuing this goal—a healthy fear of offending God through disobedience and an awe and respect for His majesty and holiness. "Trembling" can also refer to a shaking due to weakness, but this is a weakness of higher purpose, one which brings us to a state of dependency on God. Obedience and submission to the God we revere and respect is our “reasonable service” (Romans 12:1-2) and brings great joy.*Psalm 2:11*sums it up perfectly: “Serve the LORD with fear and rejoice with trembling.” We work out our salvation by going to the very source of our salvation—the Word of God—wherein we renew our hearts and minds (Romans 12:1-2), coming into His presence with a spirit of reverence and awe

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      The fun thing is, he says in Phillippians 1 that they are once saved always saved. He sees their fruit and still he warns them.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Imalive View Post
      The fun thing is, he says in Phillippians 1 that they are once saved always saved. He sees their fruit and still he warns them.
      I have difficulty finding that in Philippians 1. Could you tell me the verse? It may be because I am using the NIV.

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      Quote Originally Posted by meluckycharms View Post
      I have difficulty finding that in Philippians 1. Could you tell me the verse? It may be because I am using the NIV.

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      It's in the NIV too.

      I thank my God upon every remembrance of you, 4 always in every prayer of mine making request for you all with joy, 5 for your fellowship in the gospel from the first day until now, 6 being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ (NKJV)

      I thank my God every time I remember you. 4 In all my prayers for all of you, I always pray with joy 5 because of your partnership in the gospel from the first day until now, 6 being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus. (NIV)

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      Quote Originally Posted by Imalive View Post
      It's in the NIV too.

      I thank my God upon every remembrance of you, 4 always in every prayer of mine making request for you all with joy, 5 for your fellowship in the gospel from the first day until now, 6 being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ

      I thank my God every time I remember you. 4 In all my prayers for all of you, I always pray with joy 5 because of your partnership in the gospel from the first day until now, 6 being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.
      Gotcha. I see what you are talking about. I can definitely see what you mean. I can also see how one could conclude OSAS. It's a valid position to have. My interpretation is that Paul is providing encouragement. Because of their behavior, Paul is confident that the Philippians will be saved. However, this confidence is not an indicator of a guarantee.



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