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      Oprah is popular and I guess some people think that will win votes against Trump. Except...she's not an ideal candidate. On Facebook my liberal friends are saying she's not just a Hollywood celebrity but a successful businesswoman and they almost compare her to Trump in that aspect. Except they hate Trump because he's not a politician so I don't get that.
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      She does at least seem to have a heart for those who are not rich
      Isaiah 40:31

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      Quote Originally Posted by Lämmchen View Post
      Oprah is popular and I guess some people think that will win votes against Trump. Except...she's not an ideal candidate. On Facebook my liberal friends are saying she's not just a Hollywood celebrity but a successful businesswoman and they almost compare her to Trump in that aspect. Except they hate Trump because he's not a politician so I don't get that.
      It's the same kind of reasoning that says the only reason not to vote for Hillary Clinton is sexism yet when the same people didn't want to vote for Sarah Palin they weren't sexist.
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      Quote Originally Posted by psalms 91 View Post
      She does at least seem to have a heart for those who are not rich
      Many seem to have a heart for those who are not rich. Many of the more left-leaning policies appear to be generous to those who are not rich but usually have some kind of nasty sting in the tail, much like the (un)affordable care act makes it very hard for less well-off people whose employer doesn't provide insurance to get ahead.
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      Quote Originally Posted by tango View Post
      Many seem to have a heart for those who are not rich. Many of the more left-leaning policies appear to be generous to those who are not rich but usually have some kind of nasty sting in the tail, much like the (un)affordable care act makes it very hard for less well-off people whose employer doesn't provide insurance to get ahead.
      Spoken like a true Republican. Fact is that many who did not have insurance now do and by the way we are the only industrial nation that doesnt have some form of universal health care.
      Isaiah 40:31

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      Quote Originally Posted by tango View Post
      Many seem to have a heart for those who are not rich. Many of the more left-leaning policies appear to be generous to those who are not rich but usually have some kind of nasty sting in the tail, much like the (un)affordable care act makes it very hard for less well-off people whose employer doesn't provide insurance to get ahead.
      Spoken like a true Republican. Fact is that many who did not have insurance now do and by the way we are the only industrial nation that doesnt have some form of universal health care. 11 million people might disagree with you, the number that the CBO estimates would lose coverage if it is done away with
      Isaiah 40:31

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      Quote Originally Posted by psalms 91 View Post
      Spoken like a true Republican. Fact is that many who did not have insurance now do and by the way we are the only industrial nation that doesnt have some form of universal health care. 11 million people might disagree with you, the number that the CBO estimates would lose coverage if it is done away with
      Saw this lately:
      https://www.boredpanda.com/united-st...thcare-system/

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      Quote Originally Posted by psalms 91 View Post
      Spoken like a true Republican. Fact is that many who did not have insurance now do and by the way we are the only industrial nation that doesnt have some form of universal health care. 11 million people might disagree with you, the number that the CBO estimates would lose coverage if it is done away with
      Some of those countries you admire in theory will euthanize you if you're too old to be worth the operation; and even if you are not, you can expect to wait six months for the operation, even if you need it as soon as possible..

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      Quote Originally Posted by psalms 91 View Post
      Spoken like a true Republican. Fact is that many who did not have insurance now do and by the way we are the only industrial nation that doesnt have some form of universal health care. 11 million people might disagree with you, the number that the CBO estimates would lose coverage if it is done away with
      What part of a 70% premium increase is considered "affordable"? What part of an effective 80% tax rate on those earning less than $30,000 is considered "affordable"?

      Nice job assuming my political affiliation as a first move, and nice job on creating a strawman of my argument. Perhaps you could try addressing real numbers, like the ones I quoted. They are actual numbers from the actual healthcare.gov website.

      Sometimes the so-called universal health care isn't as good as it seems from afar. It's nice to know that if you need major treatment you won't get a horrendous bill at the end of it. But it's also nice to know that if you need care you'll get it before you die of the condition, which isn't always the case under universal health care systems. An elderly couple I knew in the UK had to basically empty their savings account when he needed major heart surgery. He could get it free of charge on the NHS but the estimated waiting time was six months. Without the treatment it was far from certain he'd live six months, so they paid for him to have it done privately. The supposedly universal healthcare system failed them when they needed it the most, and it cost them tens of thousands.

      Yes, the US healthcare system is badly broken. The (un)affordable care act merely fiddled at the edges in some areas and made it far worse in others. Like, for example, a policy costing in the region of $300/month in 2013 now costing in the region of $1800/month. Because, you know, $1800 per month for a couple to get health insurance that still comes with a $4000 deductible is easily affordable, right?
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      Quote Originally Posted by psalms 91 View Post
      She does at least seem to have a heart for those who are not rich
      Given the amount of money she makes versus what she gives away, it makes me wonder if she indeed does have a heart for those who are not rich, or if they are little more than a tax write off for her, or to perhaps paint her as a goddess in the eyes of those who have a little wishful thinking. You know, popularity votes.

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