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    Christian Theology - Thread: What does God's Sovereignty mean?

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      Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
      What evidence about God's Sovereignty have you provided?
      You referenced Job to suggest that God directs evil through Lucifer. I merely provided evidence that supported the possibility that "the satan" described in Job may not be the same as Lucifer. Yet instead of addressing the evidence, you only accuse and insult.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
      Do you always change subjects? Notice how far off topic you have gone.
      It directly addresses your claim that God's sovereignty means that He directs Lucifer for evil. Based on the evidence I provided, you cannot definitively use Job as an example to defend your position of God's sovereignty.

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      Quote Originally Posted by meluckycharms View Post
      Did God send Lucifer to confront Balam (Numbers 22:22)? So why do you assume that Lucifer is "the satan" described in Job?

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      Ehm what? Isn't the angel of the Lord Jesus?

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      Quote Originally Posted by meluckycharms View Post
      So now I am not "forthright". Btw, I am not a "liberal theologan". Yet another baseless accusation. Are you ever going to address the evidence I provided?

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      You ramble. Speak your view I won't keep talking to you if you cannot be forthright.

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      Quote Originally Posted by meluckycharms View Post
      It directly addresses your claim that God's sovereignty means that He directs Lucifer for evil. Based on the evidence I provided, you cannot definitively use Job as an example to defend your position of God's sovereignty.

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      LOL, I can use God's word to present God's sovereignty whether you approve or not.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Imalive View Post
      Ehm what? Isn't the angel of the Lord Jesus?
      I believe so. However, the Hebrew word for this "messanger/adversary" is the exact same word used to describe the adversary in Job. Can you explain this?

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      Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
      LOL, I can use God's word to present God's sovereignty whether you approve or not. Thanks for making me laugh at your silly thinking.
      Please remind me again who is claiming that God is not sovereign? Isn't it possible that God can sovereignty limit Himself and his influence?

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      Quote Originally Posted by meluckycharms View Post
      Please remind me again who is claiming that God is not sovereign? Isn't it possible that God can sovereignty limit Himself and his influence?

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      No

      God is supremely Sovereign over all creation. You would cease to exist without God willing you to breathe. Every part of all you are is under God's sovereign will.

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      Quote Originally Posted by meluckycharms View Post
      I believe so. However, the Hebrew word for this "messanger/adversary" is the exact same word used to describe the adversary in Job. Can you explain this?

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      Oh interesting.
      Satan is God's enemy and He is his Enemy.

      Exodus 23:22
      But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
      No

      God is supremely Sovereign over all creation. You would cease to exist without God willing you to breathe. Every part of all you are is under God's sovereign will.
      So would God then be responsible for sin? How do you answer this without reducing His sovereignty? Why would God willingly and knowingly create someone destined for eternity in hell?

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