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    Denomination & Faith Movement Discussions - Thread: canceling New Years services

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      Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
      He didn't tell the people on the mountain, "Sorry, but I am taking a break. Go home to your villages because I am spending time with my family."
      No, he fed the people and preached. He didn't say, "I will not do what God called me to do today cause I need a break. I will come back to it next week, cause I want to spend time with family." He didn't send all the disciples home to spend time with family and suspend the ministry.
      He had no family. The disciples took their wife and kids on their travels. Nowadays church is mainly for adults and the wives can work, take care of the kids and do volunteer work in church. I bet you can skip a whole lot of that volunteer work, so some can have a break and others do it. If ppl don't do volunteer work they shouldn't complain if the others need a break. The whole church is supposed to function, not just some people carry way too much load and others just sit and consume and be served.

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      I remember when I was 24 or something and single, they asked or lets say guilt tripped me into becoming a volunteer for the kids. So all these ppl w kids could sit there cosily listening to the sermon and I could take care of their kids. Bye! No way. Do your own work. Not my responsibility to disciple your kids. So dont know how that church is, but if its like that I think they may be very grateful that they do stuff the rest of the year.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Imalive View Post
      He had no family. The disciples took their wife and kids on their travels. Nowadays church is mainly for adults and the wives can work, take care of the kids and do volunteer work in church. I bet you can skip a whole lot of that volunteer work, so some can have a break and others do it. If ppl don't do volunteer work they shouldn't complain if the others need a break. The whole church is supposed to function, not just some people carry way too much load and others just sit and consume and be served.
      Jesus had family. They lived around Nazareth. Two of his brothers wrote inspired scripture for us (James and Jude).
      Pastor's get time off for family all the time. No church, that I know of, shuts down Sunday service so that all pastors and staff don't have to show up. There are only 52 Sundays in a year. It's not like you're a school teacher spending 40 hours in a classroom of rowdy adolescents. I cannot imagine that jsimms congregation couldn't have others lead if the pastor needs a Sunday off.
      The lack of commitment to calling is staggering. We have a world of wimps leading our churches if they can't even show up 52 times a year.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
      Jesus had family. They lived around Nazareth. Two of his brothers wrote inspired scripture for us (James and Jude).
      Pastor's get time off for family all the time. No church, that I know of, shuts down Sunday service so that all pastors and staff don't have to show up. There are only 52 Sundays in a year. It's not like you're a school teacher spending 40 hours in a classroom of rowdy adolescents. I cannot imagine that jsimms congregation couldn't have others lead if the pastor needs a Sunday off.
      The lack of commitment to calling is staggering. We have a world of wimps leading our churches if they can't even show up 52 times a year.
      He had no kids. I don't know what the volunteers are. Maybe kids workers who rather spend time w their own kids.
      Lol you remind me of Smith Wigglesworth. He said preachers nowadays are so lazy. He'd just work 80 hours a week, he'd preach everywhere where they asked him, although he had worked the whole day, yet another preaching and those other pastors would say: no we need a day off. Well we're definitely not revived. But if all those ppl want a weekend off maybe something is the matter. Btw I know a lot of churches who just have weeks no services during summer. Crazy.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Imalive View Post
      He had no kids. I don't know what the volunteers are. Maybe kids workers who rather spend time w their own kids.
      Lol you remind me of Smith Wigglesworth. He said preachers nowadays are so lazy. He'd just work 80 hours a week, he'd preach everywhere where they asked him, although he had worked the whole day, yet another preaching and those other pastors would say: no we need a day off. Well we're definitely not revived. But if all those ppl want a weekend off maybe something is the matter. Btw I know a lot of churches who just have weeks no services during summer. Crazy.
      I guess I come from a world where people work and still enjoy their families. Pastor's have ample time to spend with their family and their congregation in my world. There is no separating the ministry into some business model where you have your church on one hand and your family in the other hand. It strikes me as very odd and worldly to split them into different spheres. When a pastor becomes a part of the church family, so does their spouse and children. You watch out for each other and you care for one another.
      You don't lock the church because you and your staff need family time. If that happens then there may be some very unhealthy things happening in that church body so that the entire body should be brought together to explore the problem.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Albion View Post
      How realistic is that? Plenty of small churches conduct meaningful worship services with only a handful of people in the pews. And for them, it matters.

      If this particular congregation numbered only ten or so people, there might--might--be the problem you are referring to, but I doubt that that is the case. The reason given for cancelling services was so that the members could spend more time with their families, after all. It was not that there wouldn't be any people to attend if services went ahead as usual. The reason that churches conduct worship on Sunday is because that is considered to be an obligation and was the practice of Christians as described in the New Testament. It's not like cancelling choir practice.
      So members are allowed to spend time with their families. What's the big deal with that? Without knowing all the whys and wherefores of a particular church we can only guess at details underpinning the reasons for cancelling a single Sunday's services. The fact some churches don't cancel doesn't mean no church should ever cancel.

      I remember in years gone by, in my childhood and teenage years, when some of my family were churchgoers and others were not. It caused a remarkable amount of resentment at times like Christmas because the church-going members attended every single service offered, which meant the rest of us were endlessly waiting for the latest service to finish. While one might argue it's down to the individual to balance church and family life, if the two come into conflict, in any given situation if the leadership decided that the best course of action was to cancel a service it's for them to decide.

      One church not all that far from me has often cancelled services, sometimes at short notice, if conditions are expected to be particularly bad. A good proportion of their attendees travel to church and the leadership there decided they would rather cancel the service than expect people to travel through conditions that might be dangerous. And although, as above, people can largely be expected to make their own decisions as to whether or not it is safe to travel, if a service is going ahead there is more of an expectation that the people with a particular involvement in the service (band, preacher, sound and video operators etc) will be present.
      "Do what thou will shall be the whole of the law" - Aleister Crowley

      "If you love me, obey my commandments" - Jesus Christ

      The Bible comes as a complete package. If we want to pluck verses out of context so make them mean what we want them to mean, if we want to ignore the passages that are inconvenient to our outlook, we should be intellectually honest enough to throw our Bibles in the trash and admit we are following Crowley and not Christ.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
      Jesus had family. They lived around Nazareth. Two of his brothers wrote inspired scripture for us (James and Jude).
      Pastor's get time off for family all the time. No church, that I know of, shuts down Sunday service so that all pastors and staff don't have to show up. There are only 52 Sundays in a year. It's not like you're a school teacher spending 40 hours in a classroom of rowdy adolescents. I cannot imagine that jsimms congregation couldn't have others lead if the pastor needs a Sunday off.
      The lack of commitment to calling is staggering. We have a world of wimps leading our churches if they can't even show up 52 times a year.
      Is it just the pastor wanting time off? Perish the thought the pastor might like to spend time with family members who may not be local. Besides, a church service can still go ahead without the pastor. My church effectively had no pastor for several months this year, as we had granted him a (well earned) sabbatical. We had guest preachers, the elders carried his duties while he was gone, and our regular services went on more or less as normal. If you don't have a band and usually have music, that could be a problem (I know you can sing without music but if the members would expect music they may find it unacceptable). If you don't have a sound and video guy (and don't have hymnbooks to fall back on) then people won't know the words if they aren't on the screen, and those hard of hearing won't have access to the hearing loop without the sound guy running the desk.
      "Do what thou will shall be the whole of the law" - Aleister Crowley

      "If you love me, obey my commandments" - Jesus Christ

      The Bible comes as a complete package. If we want to pluck verses out of context so make them mean what we want them to mean, if we want to ignore the passages that are inconvenient to our outlook, we should be intellectually honest enough to throw our Bibles in the trash and admit we are following Crowley and not Christ.

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      Quote Originally Posted by tango View Post
      So members are allowed to spend time with their families. What's the big deal with that? Without knowing all the whys and wherefores of a particular church we can only guess at details underpinning the reasons for cancelling a single Sunday's services. The fact some churches don't cancel doesn't mean no church should ever cancel.
      What's the point in cancelling? Pastor wants a day off? Only a dozen people will be able to attend? I cannot think of a good reason, even if those who feel attendance for them would be burdensome...and so decide to stay home.

      Surely, the church isn't saying that if you don't show up, they'll do something bad to you in the event that the service wasn't called off.

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      Quote Originally Posted by tango View Post
      Is it just the pastor wanting time off? Perish the thought the pastor might like to spend time with family members who may not be local. Besides, a church service can still go ahead without the pastor. My church effectively had no pastor for several months this year, as we had granted him a (well earned) sabbatical. We had guest preachers, the elders carried his duties while he was gone, and our regular services went on more or less as normal. If you don't have a band and usually have music, that could be a problem (I know you can sing without music but if the members would expect music they may find it unacceptable). If you don't have a sound and video guy (and don't have hymnbooks to fall back on) then people won't know the words if they aren't on the screen, and those hard of hearing won't have access to the hearing loop without the sound guy running the desk.
      LOL unacceptable. They are spoiled. We just sing w youtube songs.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Albion View Post
      What's the point in cancelling? Pastor wants a day off? Only a dozen people will be able to attend? I cannot think of a good reason, even if those who feel attendance for them would be burdensome...and so decide to stay home.

      Surely, the church isn't saying that if you don't show up, they'll do something bad to you in the event that the service wasn't called off.
      I wanted to go to a meeting this summer. Looked on internet. We're back in august. Summer stop. All the ppl are on a holiday. Not one church, a bunch. Oh well.

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