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    Denomination & Faith Movement Discussions - Thread: canceling New Years services

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      Quote Originally Posted by jsimms435 View Post
      The weekend of New Years the church I attend decided to cancel Sunday services for that weekend. When I asked why they said they wanted to give the hundreds of volunteers who help out a break to spend time with their families. I think this is a horrible decision and has upset me. I wonder what you all thoughts are?
      Good for them. Maybe they need more ppl to do stuff.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
      Perhaps the thing that strikes me about the decision is just how worldly it is.
      Somehow there has entered an idea that the church serves as an entertainment center and thus the paid entertainers need a week off. How does that mentality enter a church? How do the shepherds of the flock get to that position of thinking they are merely entertainers who need a break? How do the sheep get to such a condition where they just shrug and move on?
      Somewhere this leads to a much bigger issue that requires the body to understand what is the function of church? What biblical lessons can be culled from scripture in order to understand what meeting together means and what Christ expects?
      I might ask the shepherds to consider this in light of the decision that is being made.
      Why is it worldly to give people time with their families? Can't people spend some time with their families without somehow being regarded as "paid entertainers", or expected to do the same thing every single week without respite?

      Even Jesus went away from people to be alone. If we really want to demand people serve and serve and serve until they burn out and resign, with nobody willing to take their place because they can see the process of burning out unaided, go right on ahead and demand people give up everything to play guitar in church on Sunday morning.

      Having seen a visible difference in my pastor before and after he went on his (well-earned) sabbatical break it's clear that even church leaders need a break once in a while. As for the primar function of the church, if I recall Jesus told us to go into the world and preach the gospel rather than going to an old building every Sunday and singing some hymns.
      "Do what thou will shall be the whole of the law" - Aleister Crowley

      "If you love me, obey my commandments" - Jesus Christ

      The Bible comes as a complete package. If we want to pluck verses out of context so make them mean what we want them to mean, if we want to ignore the passages that are inconvenient to our outlook, we should be intellectually honest enough to throw our Bibles in the trash and admit we are following Crowley and not Christ.

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      Quote Originally Posted by tango View Post
      You do what you believe needs to be done, but at the same time others will do what they believe needs to be done. If enough people are planning to be away that there isn't a large enough group of staff on hand to make a service work there isn't a whole lot of option.
      How realistic is that? Plenty of small churches conduct meaningful worship services with only a handful of people in the pews. And for them, it matters.

      If this particular congregation numbered only ten or so people, there might--might--be the problem you are referring to, but I doubt that that is the case. The reason given for cancelling services was so that the members could spend more time with their families, after all. It was not that there wouldn't be any people to attend if services went ahead as usual. The reason that churches conduct worship on Sunday is because that is considered to be an obligation and was the practice of Christians as described in the New Testament. It's not like cancelling choir practice.

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      That they even volunteer if they have families.
      I knew one pastors couple who always dumped their kids w a woman cause they had to serve the ppl in the church. Family is your first ministry.

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      Quote Originally Posted by tango View Post
      Why is it worldly to give people time with their families? Can't people spend some time with their families without somehow being regarded as "paid entertainers", or expected to do the same thing every single week without respite?

      Even Jesus went away from people to be alone. If we really want to demand people serve and serve and serve until they burn out and resign, with nobody willing to take their place because they can see the process of burning out unaided, go right on ahead and demand people give up everything to play guitar in church on Sunday morning.

      Having seen a visible difference in my pastor before and after he went on his (well-earned) sabbatical break it's clear that even church leaders need a break once in a while. As for the primar function of the church, if I recall Jesus told us to go into the world and preach the gospel rather than going to an old building every Sunday and singing some hymns.
      There are many other teachers in the body. The shepherd is not just one. The church does not have to shut its doors in order to have leadership spend time away from the building.
      The pastorate is a calling and an anointing from God. Quiet time can be taken without neglecting the ministry. To shut down and lock out the sheep from gathering together because the leaders all want a collective break seems quite odd and selfish and ultimately out of step with the pastoral role.
      Again, what is the biblical model of leadership? Did Jesus abandon his disciples and tell them he just needed a break from them all so he could spend time with his kin?

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      Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
      There are many other teachers in the body. The shepherd is not just one. The church does not have to shut its doors in order to have leadership spend time away from the building.
      The pastorate is a calling and an anointing from God. Quiet time can be taken without neglecting the ministry. To shut down and lock out the sheep from gathering together because the leaders all want a collective break seems quite odd and selfish and ultimately out of step with the pastoral role.
      Again, what is the biblical model of leadership? Did Jesus abandon his disciples and tell them he just needed a break from them all so he could spend time with his kin?
      Yes He left em all. He had to pray. Spend time w His Dad.

      Immediately Jesus made His disciples get into the boat and go before Him to the other side, while He sent the multitudes away. 23 And when He had sent the multitudes away, He went up on the mountain by Himself to pray.
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      Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
      Perhaps the thing that strikes me about the decision is just how worldly it is.
      Somehow there has entered an idea that the church serves as an entertainment center and thus the paid entertainers need a week off. How does that mentality enter a church? How do the shepherds of the flock get to that position of thinking they are merely entertainers who need a break? How do the sheep get to such a condition where they just shrug and move on?
      Somewhere this leads to a much bigger issue that requires the body to understand what is the function of church? What biblical lessons can be culled from scripture in order to understand what meeting together means and what Christ expects?
      I might ask the shepherds to consider this in light of the decision that is being made.
      I have expressed my unhappiness to church leadership about this. Not that they will listen to me, but I shared my thought to them

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      They're volunteers, so they can say no.
      What they did in small churches where I came, if the pastor was sick and the cheapos didnt pay so they couldnt get a guest speaker, they'd have a 'everyone has something' meeting. LOL that was most of the time a nobody has anything meeting.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Imalive View Post
      Yes He left em all. He had to pray. Spend time w His Dad.

      Immediately Jesus made His disciples get into the boat and go before Him to the other side, while He sent the multitudes away. 23 And when He had sent the multitudes away, He went up on the mountain by Himself to pray.
      He didn't tell the people on the mountain, "Sorry, but I am taking a break. Go home to your villages because I am spending time with my family."
      No, he fed the people and preached. He didn't say, "I will not do what God called me to do today cause I need a break. I will come back to it next week, cause I want to spend time with family." He didn't send all the disciples home to spend time with family and suspend the ministry.

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      Quote Originally Posted by jsimms435 View Post
      I have expressed my unhappiness to church leadership about this. Not that they will listen to me, but I shared my thought to them
      This is the correct first step in addressing an issue. The overarching thing is to pray for our leaders so they might make biblically informed decisions rather than worldly decisions.

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