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    Politics - Thread: First President a Lutheran?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Stravinsk View Post
      I think the point is something along the lines of "Lutheranism kicks butt, because American presidents kick butt, and the first one especially kicks butt, but you didn't know it or realize it because you do not know the glory and honor of what it is to be a Lutheran"

      Not at all, not in the least. Just a little-known curosity of American history.

      Odd some would try to turn this into some debate (and not about whether Hanson should be regarded as America's first president... or even whether he was Lutheran.... and thus having NOTHING to do with the thread).



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      Quote Originally Posted by Josiah View Post
      Not at all, not in the least. Just a little-known curosity of American history.

      Odd some would try to turn this into some debate (and not about whether Hanson should be regarded as America's first president... or even whether he was Lutheran.... and thus having NOTHING to do with the thread).



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      I'm not turning it into a debate. I'm having fun and being amused at what I see as unspoken and unacknowledged undercurrents of certain members dealing with the sometimes difficult positions of others who share the same faith but differ in various areas (denominational differences getting heated elsewhere).

      This is not one of those "difficult positions" - this thread I mean. But don't lie and think you can't be seen for certain things. Would you have started such a thread if you were a super proud Anglican who escaped the clutches of a misguided Lutheran faith? I think not, sir. lol

      Now, carry on. And God bless, and only bless, the USA

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      Of course Josiah's a Lutheran and may have noted the history involved when others might not have, but the post itself still presented the information as a potentially interesting bit of trivia, nothing more.

      It's wrong to pull out either the conspiracy or the "lie" cards on this one.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Albion View Post
      Of course Josiah's a Lutheran, but the post itself still presented the information as a potentially interesting bit of trivia, nothing more.

      It's wrong to pull out either the conspiracy or the "lie" cards on this one.
      I know the members here much better than you. And le *sigh*....I will withdraw the word "lie" if the wrath of unrelenting accusers (for whatever motive) can be abated.

      Now, yankee boy. Please ignore me and fight for the subject of the thread.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Stravinsk View Post
      I know the members here much better than you.
      Could be, but you don't know Josiah better than I do.

      Anyway, when commenting on anyone's post, I always am guided by what is actually written. That was the case with the OP in this thread, too. It seems a fairer way.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Albion View Post

      Anyway, when commenting on anyone's post, I always am guided by what is actually written. That was the case with the OP in this thread, too. It seems a fairer way.
      That sounds noble. And kind. And even fair.

      My comment on motive wasn't even brought up in the OP, so it's outside the scope of "what was written".

      Lest frustrated Lutherans get increasingly annoyed that we are straying off subject, I suggest you give me the last word. Because I'm right and I'm going to have it tonight, mate. LOL

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      Quote Originally Posted by Stravinsk View Post
      That sounds noble. And kind. And even fair.
      Fair was what I was advocating.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Confessional Lutheran View Post
      This thread is meant to discuss John Hanson. Very well. Here are some links regarding the man and his life for those who are interested.
      http://www.marshallhall.org/hanson.html

      http://www.history.com/this-day-in-h...president-dies

      http://www.johnhanson.org/

      http://www.johnhanson.net/

      In point of fact, John Hanson was apparently the third person to serve in the executive office of the United States in Congress Assembled ( USCA). He was a Lutheran and his family was instrumental in the founding of New Sweden. If we want a serious discussion, let's have a serious discussion ( including the many myths that have arisen in the last 241 years about the various Founding Fathers).
      You have really done your research! Great job I appreciate the attempt to get the thread back on track.

      I like the information from the first thread that has this:

      Six other presidents were elected after him - Elias Boudinot (1783), Thomas Mifflin (1784), Richard Henry Lee (1785), Nathan Gorman (1786), Arthur St. Clair (1787), and Cyrus Griffin (1788) - all prior to Washington taking office. Why don't we ever hear about the first seven Presidents of the United States? It's quite simple - The Articles of Confederation didn't work well. The individual states had too much power and nothing could be agreed upon. A new doctrine needed to be written - something we know as the Constitution.

      George Washington was definitely not the first President of the United States. He was the first President of the United States under the Constitution we follow today. And the first seven Presidents are forgotten in history.
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      Who cares? The 8th was a Dutch guy. Now thats highly important.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Imalive View Post
      Who cares? The 8th was a Dutch guy. Now thats highly important.
      English was also his second language. He was Dutch Reformed...was that the only Church at the time there? Not here. Sorry for the confusion.
      "Christianity does not require more work but more trust." Pr. Jonathan Fisk
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